Go Back   TalkBass Forums > Bass Guitar Forums > Bass Guitar Forums > Basses [BG]
Register Rules/FAQ/CUP Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read



Supporting Membership
Thank You

Latest Supporting Member
Donate to Upgrade Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 01-25-2013, 11:57 PM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
ATTN WASHBURN MEMBERS--SB40 History

OK, heres a partial history I have not put up previously---pretty exciting and not the end of the story yet. The missing links are many advertisements, catalogs and brochures from 1979-1982 which would finally solve everything. They are really missing. From 1983 onward they are mostly findable. The next lines should make clear an evolutionary path.
OK, the SB-40 and B-40 appear in history at about the same time in 1979 with a questionable appearance of the B-40 MAYBE in 1978. These two basses ended the "classic hollow body" shape used by the Scavengers and Vultures I and II. They brought in the "modern" or "catch-up" body phase for Washburn. They did keep the 2x2 tuners to remain in the WING series.

1.The B-40 (known in Europe as LB-40 for some {I am sure} stupid reason) with 4 knobs and 1 toggle switch appears to be a dead end branch of evolution, altho I cannot find an end date for them. The latest I can find is a 1982 Rudy Sarzo ad with a B-40. So the lifespan parallels the SB-40. So any other Washie with 4 knobs and 1 switch could claim SOME kind of kinship with the grandaddy B-40. It may even be that the B-40 INSPIRED
2.the SB-40 which comes out with 3 knobs and 2 switches(toggle and mini) as perhaps a bit more sophisticated for 1980-1982 (the SB-40EQ appears to be introduced 1981): to be followed by SB-40, (not B-40), look-alikes and with same electronics of 3/1 except that the headstock was changed to 4 in-line and thus closed the Wing Series era and entered the Force series.


So the SB-40 of 3 pups/2 switches elec pkg (the B-40's 4/1 elec pkg is dropped) then continues success by morphing into

a. FORCE-40EQ + EQW in 1982 along with the final SB-40s NOTE: I JUST FOUND OUT VIA EBAY SB-40EQ WAS ALSO MADE AND SOLD IN 1982--WOW PICS POSTED WAY DOWN THE THREAD--and then
b. B-40EQ +40EQW in 1983 I have ads for them.
c. drop the EQ/EQW to be a regular FORCE-40 in 1984 which had a long run of success and was joined for a while with the Force series B-40EQ TS model which did not last long IIRC.

So, to recapitulate, The Scavengers and Vultures along with their body shape are like the old cars on the road because they were still produced until, at least, 1981-1982.

The B-40 and (notice they just added on an "S" to show cousinry in this "new-to-Washburn" shape) SB-40 ushered in the "modern" body style together for Washburn if you want to call it that, since Fender pretty well knew it was cool since 1951 and it took Washburn all that time to get on board!

Next step is I must get into the Library of Congress Patent Office and drag out some info to further NAIL THIS STUFF DOWN!

In the first picture (some of my basses except for the B-20 I sold to a TB'er), the blue bass is Force 40 (1984) followed by two SB-40s (a 1980 and a 1981)

2nd Picture is the SB-40 headstock on the second SB.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	my basses.jpg
Views:	114
Size:	228.8 KB
ID:	313668  Click image for larger version

Name:	my 2nd sb40 headstock.jpg
Views:	88
Size:	104.3 KB
ID:	313669  
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44

Last edited by MEKer : 01-26-2013 at 04:01 PM.
  #2  
Old 01-26-2013, 12:00 AM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
More pictures
1982 SB-40EQ
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Wash SB-40EQ.jpg
Views:	39
Size:	206.2 KB
ID:	313670  Click image for larger version

Name:	washburn SB-40EQ headstock SN 821264.jpg
Views:	36
Size:	189.7 KB
ID:	313671  
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44
  #3  
Old 01-26-2013, 12:03 AM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
More pics

1982 Force-40EQ ---looks just like my original, first run SB-40 (see my first pic in thread)except for headstock.

1983 B-40EQ

Note all have the SB-40 electronic package as opposed the B-40 package.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	cat_1982washburn_electrics_page05 FORCE 40EQ=SB40.jpg
Views:	50
Size:	224.1 KB
ID:	313672  Click image for larger version

Name:	cat_1983washburn_gb_page08 B40EQ.jpg
Views:	47
Size:	193.3 KB
ID:	313673  
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44

Last edited by MEKer : 01-26-2013 at 12:15 AM.
  #4  
Old 01-26-2013, 12:04 AM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
more pics

1982 SB-40....the last year of them

1984 FORCE 40 (belongs to another TB'er-------I am SO jealous) with soapbars just like in the '84 Sarzo ad!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	1982 SB-40.JPG
Views:	46
Size:	9.6 KB
ID:	313674  Click image for larger version

Name:	Force 40 1984 TB'er weston417.jpg
Views:	42
Size:	71.3 KB
ID:	313675  
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44

Last edited by MEKer : 01-26-2013 at 12:14 AM.
  #5  
Old 01-26-2013, 12:22 AM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
Crap---------forgot the BBR series of Force 40---the "Chicago Bass" (came with one pup or two pups) BBR means "Black, Black, Red) referring to body, pups, binding). It also has the SB-40 electronic package of 3/2.

I found this on eBay about 4 years ago. Great tones for jazz. This is a 1984 bass.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	front.JPG
Views:	46
Size:	86.6 KB
ID:	313676  Click image for larger version

Name:	back.JPG
Views:	38
Size:	66.6 KB
ID:	313677  
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44
  #6  
Old 01-26-2013, 03:55 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Bucks Co, PA
Supporting Member
Nice job putting all this together. I know how sketchy this info is having searched for it myself. The few people who have these basses don't even know what they are sitting on. That's really unfortunate because they are really great basses.
__________________
Washburn #42. Fender Precision #1044. Fender Jazz #1101. Squire Classic Vibe #162. Stingray #465. G&L #517
  #7  
Old 01-26-2013, 06:03 AM
Twocan's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Michigan
Supporting Member
Here's an 81 vulture II that I just picked up:
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/x...g?t=1359166639
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/x...g?t=1359166679
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/x...g?t=1359166733
http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/x...g?t=1359166713

Very similar to the SB40
__________________
Finger, finger, slap your thumb. Dum ditty dum ditty dum dum dum...
  #8  
Old 01-26-2013, 09:13 AM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
You have a B-40. Very, very nice one, too! Wow.

Picture of Vulture II below.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	1978 Vulture.jpg
Views:	60
Size:	104.8 KB
ID:	313711  
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44

Last edited by MEKer : 01-26-2013 at 09:16 AM.
  #9  
Old 01-26-2013, 11:22 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Attachment 313731

Last edited by Melonthief : 05-02-2013 at 10:31 AM.
  #10  
Old 01-26-2013, 11:24 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Thought you may enjoy seeing my washburns. The b20, the status, the force 40 Chicago series
  #11  
Old 01-26-2013, 02:11 PM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
Tremendous, Melonthief. I addressed your basses in the Member thread with some questions. Love your basses big time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44
  #12  
Old 01-26-2013, 03:28 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Thanks! I just answered some, on the other thread. I could have gone on but was afraid of being a windbag! People who know these basses get really excited about them, those who don't know them just don't know the care that went into them. When I let other bassists check them out they get it immediately!
  #13  
Old 01-26-2013, 03:54 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Logan,W.V.(not up some holler)
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attach...1&d=1359216735


The body style looks like somethin' Gene $immons would play. I hate that the P-pup is pushed up against the fingerboard.
  #14  
Old 01-26-2013, 04:02 PM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
1982 SB-40EQ Serial # 820686

PICS BELOW
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44
  #15  
Old 01-26-2013, 04:05 PM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
THE PICS
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	SB40EQ full length.jpg
Views:	17
Size:	185.3 KB
ID:	313786  Click image for larger version

Name:	SB40EQ Headstock.jpg
Views:	16
Size:	78.5 KB
ID:	313787  
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44
  #16  
Old 01-26-2013, 04:06 PM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
more for your enjoyment
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	SB40EQ CLOSE FRONT.jpg
Views:	18
Size:	98.1 KB
ID:	313788  Click image for larger version

Name:	SB40EQ BACK.jpg
Views:	16
Size:	96.5 KB
ID:	313789  
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44
  #17  
Old 01-26-2013, 04:35 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by millsbass5 View Post
http://www.talkbass.com/forum/attach...1&d=1359216735


The body style looks like somethin' Gene $immons would play. I hate that the P-pup is pushed up against the fingerboard.
Excuse me while I retrieve my jaw from the floor. That is gorgeous!
  #18  
Old 01-26-2013, 05:05 PM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
it is KILLING me! Lemme say again--It is KILLING me!!!!!!

both that gorgeous Vulture II already sold on eBay AND the SB-40EQ still up for 3 more days on eBay
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44

Last edited by MEKer : 01-26-2013 at 05:17 PM.
  #19  
Old 01-26-2013, 05:12 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
WOW, thanks for the memories...and regrets I bought a Washburn "Force" 40 in late 82. It was beautiful, cherry-colored wood. I was so proud that Rudy Sarzo endorsed those. That bass was one of many things I sacrificed for my addictions. Now, I am clean again, playing a cheap bass and trying desperately to get a bass amp sufficient for rehearsing. Not sure why I shared that. Don't be a junkie my friends...kicking self
  #20  
Old 01-26-2013, 05:16 PM
MEKer's Avatar
Supporting member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Groveport Ohio
Supporting Member
Glad you are on board! Keep clean, get a good 'ol early '80s Washburn bass when you can and keep on truckin' !!
__________________
Napalm---the best solution for so many problems.
Washburn Club, #44
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Visit TalkBass on Facebook   Download our iOS app   Download our Android app

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:48 PM.




© 2012 Talk Music Group Inc. All rights reserved.
Play guitar too? Visit TalkGuitar.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.12
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.