Besides Sadowsky...

atlboriqua · #1 12-30-2012, 03:46 PM

I have owned a Sadowsky R5-24 for about two years. Maple fretboard / 5 string. I always keep going back to my American Deluxe Fender Jazz bass though. It has more punch and really gives me the tone I'm looking for. I will say that I prefer recording with the Sadowsky because it records EXTREMELY well. But for a live setting its not what I'm looking for. Does anyone have any recommendations for another higher end bass that would work well for both avenues?

I've looked at the Carvin SB5000 and that looks like a good option. I like the "Fender" style basses / sound so I'd like to stay in that avenue if possible but I'm open to anything.

Jazzdogg · #2 12-30-2012, 04:00 PM

If you can identify which EQ bands are different, perhaps you can use parametric EQ to alter the live sound to your liking.

droskobass · #3 12-30-2012, 04:03 PM

here I go: Check out Mike Lull's basses and definitely call Mike or a dealer because there are more options than many people realize.

34" and 35" 21 or 24 fret, active and passive with many preamp options, the 4 strings have different radius options etc. and the JT and PT basses are just killer. You also get a 100% USA made bass for about the price of a metro which is nice, and the basses are Light! 7.4lbs -8.4 lbs.

Good luck!

CTC564 · #4 12-30-2012, 04:07 PM

Lovemy Nordy VJ5!!!!!

LanEvo · #5 12-30-2012, 04:29 PM

Too many options to list.

Check out the Pensa/Shur family:

http://www.pensaguitars.com/basses.htm

http://www.suhr.com/

http://www.mashinonyc.com/custom.html

**Chef** · #6 12-30-2012, 04:34 PM

The R5-24 is a great bass, but, surely not a single coil J, as you know.
Sadowsky do make fine J basses. The new Fender American Deluxe is a nice bass.

Valenti, Nordstrand and Lull are other great choices.

atlboriqua · #7 12-30-2012, 05:55 PM

I would actually love to trade for a single coil J style Sadowsky. That would be ideal for me. I have an American Deluxe Fender and I really enjoy that!

Bob_Ross · #8 12-30-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by atlboriqua

I will say that I prefer recording with the Sadowsky because it records EXTREMELY well. But for a live setting its not what I'm looking for.

I've encountered similar responses (records great, doesn't work quite so well in a live context) with a handfull of basses, including a Sadowsky -- but also including a Steinberger, a Pedulla, an Alembic, and a couple of Fenders -- and in EVERY one of those situations, the problem wasn't the bass.

It was the amp.

Something to consider.

Mojo-Man · #9 12-30-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by droskobass

here I go: Check out Mike Lull's basses and definitely call Mike or a dealer because there are more options than many people realize.

34" and 35" 21 or 24 fret, active and passive with many preamp options, the 4 strings have different radius options etc. and the JT and PT basses are just killer. You also get a 100% USA made bass for about the price of a metro which is nice, and the basses are Light! 7.4lbs -8.4 lbs.

Good luck!

Mike makes wonderful Jazz 5.
I have a Lull Jazz 5, Alder body, maple neck, Rosewood Fingerboard.
Weight 7.7 pounds.
As good as any I've ever played, nails that old school vibe.
Plays like butter.

bikeplate · #10 12-30-2012, 06:55 PM

Yea, a Sadowsky jj or pj

Rob

atlboriqua · #11 12-30-2012, 06:57 PM

Quote:

I've encountered similar responses (records great, doesn't work quite so well in a live context) with a handfull of basses, including a Sadowsky -- but also including a Steinberger, a Pedulla, an Alembic, and a couple of Fenders -- and in EVERY one of those situations, the problem wasn't the bass.

It was the amp.

Something to consider.

I've played it through an SWR rig, Trace Elliot Rig, David Eden and Ampeg SVT rig. I've also used it direct as well as running it through a crown power amplifier with no EQ or anything into a cabinet. I still have not found an setting / tone I really like for a live setting. But my American Deluxe Jazz works well in both situations. If anything I may just keep to use for recording.

atlboriqua · #12 12-30-2012, 07:00 PM

The main difference for me is having a "mid" knob. The sadowsky records so well because the way the pre amp is designed, it cuts out the frequencies you typically would remove in a recording situation. I believe right around 300 +/-. It sounds very round and full. But I really like to use mids to add some punch and growl to my tone. I think Sadowsky's "Vintage Tone Control" solves that problem. I wish I had that on my Sadowsky.

Got2SadowskyNYC · #13 12-30-2012, 07:05 PM

I've never had this problem. In fact, it's not uncommon for people to comment how well they cut the mix (when I want it to) but remain full in the bottom. The "B"s are huge.

It's a lot to do with EQ. I use very little. Bass players are always surprised at how flat my EQ is. If you use a lot of EQ you'll start having issues. I've found keeping EQ simple lets the bass speak more clearly.

I have a Vintage 5 with single coils (VTC) and a Modern 24 with the soapbars (pre VTC). Both are NYC's.

atlboriqua · #14 12-30-2012, 07:11 PM

What have you found to be the tone differences between the soapbars and the single coils?

atlboriqua · #15 12-30-2012, 07:15 PM

Don't get me wrong. It sounds great!! And the B's are HUGE!! I think it may come down to a pickup style preference for me.

Roy Vogt · #16 12-30-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by atlboriqua

I've looked at the Carvin SB5000 and that looks like a good option. I like the "Fender" style basses / sound so I'd like to stay in that avenue if possible but I'm open to anything.

I've had a great time with my Carvin LB5000-it records really well and sounds great in a band context (I mostly use it in 10-14 piece horn bands and it cuts really well and supports the band). The pickups and electonics are quite different from any of my other Carvins-the only caveat is that the great pups are single coils so there are some issues if you solo pickups with hum, but no more than a Jazz Bass.
If I were going get another instrument I would consider an SB5001 with the figured top and hollow body chambers. My bass is Swamp Ash w/maple/maple (really nails the Marcus tone) and it can get heavy. It's an excellent value for the money.

cybersnyder · #17 12-30-2012, 07:19 PM

Just tried an SB4000 today at Guitar Center and I was amazed at it's tone. Obviously didn't record with it or play in a live situation, but it was so much more bass than I was expecting.

atlboriqua · #18 12-30-2012, 07:23 PM

I have really wanted to play an SB5000. I just haven't had the chance. The ones I've heard though sound phenomenal.

Got2SadowskyNYC · #19 12-30-2012, 07:24 PM

You could swap for single coils.

Tone difference between the soaps and singles is hard to tell because the location is so different.

The M is punchy w. lots of mid honk because they are both shifted towards the bridge. The V is a lot rounder because they are in '60's position. If I favor the bridge on the V it does get that punchy mid honk but the single does seem to have a slightly more open sound.

With the V I was torn on the pickup selection so I asked Kevin. He said that they sound pretty much the same in a given position.

johng999 · #20 12-30-2012, 07:25 PM

I have just settled into different basses for different work. My 78 Ash Precision is killer in the studio but too heavy as a day to day bass. Lately I've been playing a 55 CS Precision RI and/or a Tele bass (Single coil) as I like the way the single coils sound with my trio, but they would probably be too noisy in the studio.
Interesting that the Tele is heavy (around 10 lbs) but doesn't really bother my back as much as some of my other heavy basses (Warwick, Precision, etc.)