Club Alleva-Coppolo (Part 20)

[-Timothy-]

Hi AC club folks, I recently got myself a LM4 deluxe and found myself don't actually play a 4 too much and decide part with it to funds some coming basses.

PM or email me timothy.groovy@me.com if you want one LM4 with following spec and I can send you pic.

Specs:
Ash Body
Metallic Green Poly Finish
1-piece Maple Neck/Fingerboard in Clear Gloss Poly finish
34" scale, 19 mm spacing
Pearl Block Inlays / White Fingerboard Binding
Laser-Etched A-C Logo
Alleva-Coppolo Pickups in 70's position
Alleva-Coppolo 2-Band Preamp
White Pickguard
Hipshot Ultra-Lite Tuners
Hipshot B type Bridge

Comes in Protec Contego bag

[ACB0015]

Sorry, but that just seems crazy to me. No offense meant.

Originally Posted by bassdoubler

letting go of my KBP5 was one of the hardest and best decisions I ever made (bass gear-wise)....I replaced it with a SQUIRE P5 and to my ear it actually sounds a bit more "Fender"-like than the KBP. Especially with flats on it, it's very hard for me to hear any major differences. Feel wise, the KBP obviously wins, but for what I need a P for these days, any P will do. Hell, I turned it around and got a Fodera out of it!! IME/O, I think the true AC magic is in those jazz basses and Jimmy's pre which I still regard as one of the most organic, natural sounding pres out there. No offense Kirk!

[tonybassboss]

You better keep that bass, you will miss it... ;-)

[notejung]

Anyone have order been Custom LG5 model with Northeastern Ash body+Rosewood Board or LM5 model with Northeastern Ash body+Rosewood Board or LM5 model with Alder body+Rosewood Board or not?

Please review and suggestion me.


I am selecting to order between LG5 or LM5?

Which's model have more "Tight Low B"/good feel for Slap/warm/Clear in every note?


Now I am considering to order LM5+Rosewood Finger Board :

Model: Alleva-Coppolo "LM 5" Custom
Scale: 34"
Nut Width: 1 7/8" Nut
FingerBoard Radius: 10"
Neck Shape: Vintage Taper
Bridge: 5str: Hipshot 19 mm Str.Space Type B with Custom A-C Mounting Hole Pattern (Chrome)
Pickup: All A-C Instruments have our own home grown inhouse made pickup
PU Placement: 1972
Preamp: Alleva Coppolo 2 Band
Pickguard: 3 ply parchment
Body Finish : Nitrocellulose lacquer Sonic Blue
Neck Finish : tinted gloss
Body Wood : Northeastern Ash
Neck Wood : Maple
Finger Board : Specialty Rosewood Old Cut Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Inlay : dot
Nut Material : bone
Fret : Medium Fret
Tuners: Custom Alleva-Coppolo Hipshot (Chrome)
Hardware : I want add this extra "chrome, Bell Cover"

What do you think about this spec?

Thank u
Note

[Joelc73]

Originally Posted by notejung

Anyone have order been Custom LG5 model with Northeastern Ash body+Rosewood Board or LM5 model with Northeastern Ash body+Rosewood Board or LM5 model with Alder body+Rosewood Board or not?

Please review and suggestion me.


I am selecting to order between LG5 or LM5?

Which's model have more "Tight Low B"/good feel for Slap/warm/Clear in every note?


Now I am considering to order LM5+Rosewood Finger Board :

Model: Alleva-Coppolo "LM 5" Custom
Scale: 34"
Nut Width: 1 7/8" Nut
FingerBoard Radius: 10"
Neck Shape: Vintage Taper
Bridge: 5str: Hipshot 19 mm Str.Space Type B with Custom A-C Mounting Hole Pattern (Chrome)
Pickup: All A-C Instruments have our own home grown inhouse made pickup
PU Placement: 1972
Preamp: Alleva Coppolo 2 Band
Pickguard: 3 ply parchment
Body Finish : Nitrocellulose lacquer Sonic Blue
Neck Finish : tinted gloss
Body Wood : Northeastern Ash
Neck Wood : Maple
Finger Board : Specialty Rosewood Old Cut Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Inlay : dot
Nut Material : bone
Fret : Medium Fret
Tuners: Custom Alleva-Coppolo Hipshot (Chrome)
Hardware : I want add this extra "chrome, Bell Cover"

What do you think about this spec?

Thank u
Note

I wouldn't go that way -- if it were my bass. I'm not a fan of those "hybrid" specs. The 70's spec LM and the 60's spec LG are both wonderful as-is and for different reasons. If you really want an Ash body, I'd stick with a Maple board and a Poly finish.

[jonno1707]

Sorry JC but I don't agree on that one,One month after the neck swap between my RA and KBP I am absolutely pumped about the way these two bases got better in every way .
my KBP five with my RA neck is absolutely incredible in every regard, the tone is much more clear present without any of the mod and IMO a much better bass than it was before And my RA with the Rosewood KBP neck is a much better bass as well..
its now basically an LG with 70 spacing and compared to the other LG's I've had and I've had a few this one has more punch and really speaks better in the mix.
I am absolutely blown away with both of these instruments they're both much better than they were before so sometimes mixing actually works out really well.
There's really no right or wrong.

[ricksy]

Originally Posted by notejung

Anyone have order been Custom LG5 model with Northeastern Ash body+Rosewood Board or LM5 model with Northeastern Ash body+Rosewood Board or LM5 model with Alder body+Rosewood Board or not?

Please review and suggestion me.

I am selecting to order between LG5 or LM5?

Which's model have more "Tight Low B"/good feel for Slap/warm/Clear in every note?

Now I am considering to order LM5+Rosewood Finger Board :

Model: Alleva-Coppolo "LM 5" Custom
Scale: 34"
Nut Width: 1 7/8" Nut
FingerBoard Radius: 10"
Neck Shape: Vintage Taper
Bridge: 5str: Hipshot 19 mm Str.Space Type B with Custom A-C Mounting Hole Pattern (Chrome)
Pickup: All A-C Instruments have our own home grown inhouse made pickup
PU Placement: 1972
Preamp: Alleva Coppolo 2 Band
Pickguard: 3 ply parchment
Body Finish : Nitrocellulose lacquer Sonic Blue
Neck Finish : tinted gloss
Body Wood : Northeastern Ash
Neck Wood : Maple
Finger Board : Specialty Rosewood Old Cut Old Growth Brazilian Rosewood
Inlay : dot
Nut Material : bone
Fret : Medium Fret
Tuners: Custom Alleva-Coppolo Hipshot (Chrome)
Hardware : I want add this extra "chrome, Bell Cover"

What do you think about this spec?

Thank u
Note

For tight bass for slap you want the ash LM ... A LG with its alder is warm, but really shines with finger style playing. As for putting a rosewood fretboard on, that's going to mellow out the snap o the bass. If you want a combo of both, try checking the RA. It's alder body gives you warmth and the maple board gives u some good snap. Check the demo vids on the site that Jimmy and I did with Mitch Starkman- there's a demo of each model and we recorded it with high quality in mind for people that were not sure which sound was right for them. Hope this helps! -Rick

[Joelc73]

Originally Posted by jonno1707

Sorry JC but I don't agree on that one,One month after the neck swap between my RA and KBP I am absolutely pumped about the way these two bases got better in every way .
my KBP five with my RA neck is absolutely incredible in every regard, the tone is much more clear present without any of the mod and IMO a much better bass than it was before And my RA with the Rosewood KBP neck is a much better bass as well..
its now basically an LG with 70 spacing and compared to the other LG's I've had and I've had a few this one has more punch and really speaks better in the mix.
I am absolutely blown away with both of these instruments they're both much better than they were before so sometimes mixing actually works out really well.
There's really no right or wrong.



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I can dig it. That's why I said "if it were my bass".

BTW - we have to get together. You need to hear the CAOJ w/ the new pickups in it. That bass just kills now!

[vpermana]

hi all
Beside Jimmy, who else build bass with everything in house (body, pickup, preamp, etc.)?
Any body play gil yaron?
I am interested to learn all these different dedicated luthiers.
Thanks

[KJung]

Originally Posted by vpermana

hi all
Beside Jimmy, who else build bass with everything in house (body, pickup, preamp, etc.)?
Any body play gil yaron?
I am interested to learn all these different dedicated luthiers.
Thanks

The only builder that comes to mind is Fodera, if you count the Mike Pope proprietary preamp as 'in house'.

To me, the important issue is a luthier that designs each piece of the instrument to work together, with their own versions of pickups, preamps, etc. that are designed to work together. So, Nordstrand and Sadowsky reach that important IMO criteria, as do quite a few others.

I actually think external CNC of the rough body and neck, and finish is probably a smart thing to do to decrease delivery/build times and allow the luthier to work on the important stuff. IMO there.

[Vic]

Originally Posted by KJung

The only builder that comes to mind is Fodera...

Actually, Nordstrand does go directly on the list with Fodera and AC. He makes his own preamp and pickups as well as does all the construction.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Vic

Actually, Nordstrand does go directly on the list with Fodera and AC. He makes his own preamp and pickups as well as does all the construction.

It is my understanding that the bodies and necks are rough CNC'd out of house and then expertly finished in house, and that the finish is done by a second party (at least concerning the Nordies, which are the A-C comparable product...maybe this changed when Carey did his reorg). It is also my understanding that while the preamp and pickups are proprietary, neither is actually made in house. I could be quite wrong about this though. It has been quite a while since I purchased my VP5, and can't quite remember the process.

Edit: I guess Fodera also doesn't technically belong on this list, since they, like Sadowsky, have proprietary pickups that are produced by a different manufacturer.

Jimmy is unique, since I think he is actually even doing finish work in-house now (which is a relatively new situation, from what I remember from talking with him at NAMM.

[rastap]

Originally Posted by vpermana

hi all
Beside Jimmy, who else build bass with everything in house (body, pickup, preamp, etc.)?
Any body play gil yaron?
I am interested to learn all these different dedicated luthiers.
Thanks

Possibly Suhr. I know they make their pickups and preamps.

[narud]

Originally Posted by KJung

It is my understanding that the bodies and necks are rough CNC'd out of house and then expertly finished in house, and that the finish is done by a second party (at least concerning the Nordies, which are the A-C comparable product...maybe this changed when Carey did his reorg). It is also my understanding that while the preamp and pickups are proprietary, neither is actually made in house. I could be quite wrong about this though. It has been quite a while since I purchased my VP5, and can't quite remember the process.

Edit: I guess Fodera also doesn't technically belong on this list, since they, like Sadowsky, have proprietary pickups that are produced by a different manufacturer.

Jimmy is unique, since I think he is actually even doing finish work in-house now (which is a relatively new situation, from what I remember from talking with him at NAMM.

been to his old yucaipa shop a number of times and all the machines (cnc's, pickup winders) were all there in the building. i think that part of the deal is that theyre so free of warts and anomalies they can feel kind of production'ish. that can be a good or bad depending on your appreciation of "charm". i sure as hell knew my fodera was "handmade". ugh

[KJung]

Originally Posted by narud

been to his old yucaipa shop a number of times and all the machines (cnc's, pickup winders) were all there in the building.

Ah, cool. Thought I might have that wrong. Cool!

[jonno1707]

I think F bass in Canada also does everything in house Besides Jimmy, Fodera and Nordstrom and

[narud]

Originally Posted by jonno1707

I think F bass in Canada also does everything in house Besides Jimmy, Fodera and Nordstrom and

definitely. forgot about that. my 70's f bass feels more "handmade" and less production instrument without any glaring warts. love that thing.

[Vic]

Originally Posted by KJung

It is my understanding that the bodies and necks are rough CNC'd out of house and then expertly finished in house, and that the finish is done by a second party (at least concerning the Nordies, which are the A-C comparable product...maybe this changed when Carey did his reorg). It is also my understanding that while the preamp and pickups are proprietary, neither is actually made in house. I could be quite wrong about this though.

Nah, I think you are right... at least about some of this. I know there are some mass produced Nordstrand pickups made overseas, as well.

I guess I'd like to know if Jimmy actually makes his preamps, or like Carey, designed it and maybe prototyped it, but still has them made elsewhere for stock. If you wanna' get real detailed, I'd ask if his preamp is PCB based, and if he actually has PCB etching equipment.

Not a big deal at all, but it is kinda' interesting, because at least for the lion's share of Jimmy's instruments, I doubt there are many others in the world doing as much directly as he does (getting back to the OP on this), so the point stands.

[Joelc73]

Perhaps Ken Smith too.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Vic

Nah.

Not a big deal at all, but it is kinda' interesting, because at least for the lion's share of Jimmy's instruments, I doubt there are many others in the world doing as much directly as he does (getting back to the OP on this), so the point stands.

+1 To me, the key is a builder who makes all the parts work together the get his signature tone and feel... Ken Smith, Fodera, Alleva-Coppolo, F Bass, Sadowsky, Norsdtrand, etc. All great stuff.

I do have a certain place in my heart for the A-C basses after seeing the woodworking shop in NY, and Jimmy's wife standing in front of that old pickup winder, etc. Pretty darn cool. Of course, you can say the same thing about the Fodera's with Vinnie making necks with those old woodworking tools, one 'carve' at a time.

Amazing, and an honor for me to own such an instrument