Dingwall Owners Club Part 4

[Grand Wazoo]

Originally Posted by Zoomie

Can you give me a wild guess as to cost to make this happen ie pick ups and guard?

I wonder if they have any P style pick ups in stock.

Sorry Zoomie but that is not something I couldn't possibly know. There are only a few prices for his pickups on his website, to give you an idea not a P but the other ones http://www.dingwallguitars.com/purch...kups-pre-amps/

Surely, your best bet would be to email Sheldon (or send him a PM from here) for a quote.

[Zoomie]

Originally Posted by Grand Wazoo

Yes unfortunately that option would have come with an increased premium, I personally knew it and it's not as if I had overlooked it, but of course, I only suggested it based on the urgency in which you wanted the bass, surely if the extra 30% is not suitable, then you really have no options but to wait for these to be build and distributed through the right channels.

Best of luck.

I completely understand and I assure that I was grateful for the suggestion. I knew that there would be additional expense but had no idea what would be comfortable for me until I had a hard a number.

I'll send Sheldon an email and obtain a quote.

Grand, I really appreciate you working diligently to help me. You have my word that I will stop pestering you.

[Grand Wazoo]

Originally Posted by Zoomie

I completely understand and I assure that I was grateful for the suggestion. I knew that there would be additional expense but had no idea what would be comfortable for me until I had a hard a number.

I'll send Sheldon an email and obtain a quote.

Grand, I really appreciate you working diligently to help me. You have my word that I will stop pestering you.

Sir, you are not pestering me, if anything you are keeping me busy, figure my situation, I am stuck indoors with a cast and a leg that needs to be kept elevated for most of the day to allow my blood circulation in the wound area, I am otherwise watching "crap" on netflix and of course practicing my bass chops, other than that, I am more than pleased to provide help and suggestion, but I don't want to get in the way of the Dingwall factory ethos with prices I can't speculate and options which Sheldon could and couldn't offer. I only repeat what I know for certain and I wouldn't give a wrong half arsed answer to something I am not sure of.

Us old sea dogs have a code we go by and that is that we only pass informations among us when we know the source is certain otherwise we keep shushed!

[Zoomie]

Originally Posted by Grand Wazoo

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Us old sea dogs have a code we go by and that is that we only pass informations among us when we know the source is certain otherwise we keep shushed!

Words to live by, sir. Since you have a little time, perhaps you wouldn't mind contacting every US media outlet, and perhaps Congress too. Just bring it to their attention.

I have located a Super J, but have two concerns. First, as a guy who loves Fender and Lakland J's, but bleeds P tones, I am worried about bottom. The other issue is that this is passive, and I have yet to find a vid/recording of Super J with passive controls. I play in a three piece and only fat Jazz tones (aka Lakie DJ 5 with Fralins) keep the mix from sound too sterile/anemic.

I'll email Sheldon this morning and get his take on the situation, check pricing, etc. I'll either grab the Super J and convert to Super PJ, or make a decision on getting in line, buying a temporary ride until it's completed. Hate to tie up money on a bass which I know that I am likely to send packing.

Heal quickly my friend. There is nothing on this earth worse than being forced to ride the recliner due to injury.

[Sheldon D.]

Originally Posted by Zoomie

Do we have any members that have converted a Super J to a Super P/J. Has anyone pulled the pickguard on one recently to see if they are in fact routed for the P pickups?

I would grab a J immediately except I am concerned that it may not provide enough thump or bottom without doing the conversion. I am not direspecting it. It's just that I may be expecting it to do something for which it was not designed.

Barry is indeed over in Thailand but it's a working vacation so he's more than willing to help if there is a bass that meets your needs heading to a dealer that isn't already pre-ordered by a customer.

By design, the SP will have stronger mids than an SJ but that being said, the series position on the rotary gives a pretty meaty tone. There is also the option to have a qualified tech re-wire the neck pickup in series which aims it at P territory (not a slam-dunk but in the zone). Lastly all SJ's are routed to allow a set of P pickups to be installed. The P pickups are very in the P-zone. Add to that the series combination with the bridge and you've got a lot of meat to work with.

[Zoomie]

Originally Posted by Sheldon D.

Barry is indeed over in Thailand but it's a working vacation so he's more than willing to help if there is a bass that meets your needs heading to a dealer that isn't already pre-ordered by a customer.

By design, the SP will have stronger mids than an SJ but that being said, the series position on the rotary gives a pretty meaty tone. There is also the option to have a qualified tech re-wire the neck pickup in series which aims it at P territory (not a slam-dunk but in the zone). Lastly all SJ's are routed to allow a set of P pickups to be installed. The P pickups are very in the P-zone. Add to that the series combination with the bridge and you've got a lot of meat to work with.

Sheldon, thank you so much for taking the time. You've given me exactly what I need.

I'll email Barry to see if there are any potential opportunities.

[BuffaloBob4343]

Originally Posted by Zoomie

Good morning !

I didn't email Barry. I didnt think it polite or know if it was acceptable behavior to reach out to Dingwall directly and start yanking on anyone's knickers.
I don't want to bother him while he is on vacation. From everything I have read, the guy kills himself to help people and answer questions. The last thing I suspect that he wants to talk about is basses/work.

I did email Bass Direct as GW had recommended. Mark responded quickly. Unfortunately, it's close to a 30% premium to do the purchase and get it here.

This is not jerking anyone's chain. This is Barry's job and he is happy to do it. I have been in communication with Barry quite recently concerning quotes for a Super P. He has responded to every one!

Barry does his job, even while in Thailand. Moreover, no email is going to disturb him even if he is on vacation! Emails can be ignored, it isn't like they reach out and whack you upside the head until answered.

By all means, email Barry. He will answer you and believe me that he will not be put out for it. Last time he was in Thailand, he even provided alternate contact info while he was there.

And if he really is indisposed for a long time, he simply won't answer. No bother at all!

[BuffaloBob4343]

Originally Posted by Sheldon D.

Barry is indeed over in Thailand but it's a working vacation so he's more than willing to help if there is a bass that meets your needs heading to a dealer that isn't already pre-ordered by a customer.

By design, the SP will have stronger mids than an SJ but that being said, the series position on the rotary gives a pretty meaty tone. There is also the option to have a qualified tech re-wire the neck pickup in series which aims it at P territory (not a slam-dunk but in the zone). Lastly all SJ's are routed to allow a set of P pickups to be installed. The P pickups are very in the P-zone. Add to that the series combination with the bridge and you've got a lot of meat to work with.

Oops! Well, that's what I get for not reading all the way to the end. Best to hear it directly from the proprietor anyway!

[Smallmouth_Bass]

Originally Posted by Zoomie

I really am OK with Bass Central leaving basses up. I just wish they marked them as sold. I

Yeah, my SuperP5 is still not showing as sold on their site and its been 5 months now.

[Smallmouth_Bass]

Originally Posted by Grand Wazoo

I do have to admit, I do find the reverse P configuration to look quite odd. I can't say I have found anything lacking in my SP5 in the standard pickup configuration.

[alec]

It's time for new strings on my ABZ5. I bought it second hand with Payson Nickels and they are a bit dull now.

I've been using Circle Ks on my other basses and love them, so I'll probably stick with them. I was using .135 and .142 on my 35" Schecter but I found that a .135 won't fit in the nut of my ABZ (I haven't tried the other strings in their respective nut slots). Widening the slots is an option but not my preference.

I would have thought that a longer scale would require a thicker string but it doesn't look that way.

What gauges of Ks are people using? I notice there's quite a difference between the Payson gauges and a .130 set of Ks.
Has anyone used both and can comment on the difference in tone and tension?
Payson .130 .105 .085 .065 .045
Circle K .130 .098 .076 .057 .043

[Zoomie]

Wow ! Talk about an outpouring of support. Between the the responses here and the PM's, I fell like I am really close to having this sorted. Feeling the Dingwall love big time.

Will email Barry and wait for his response. Other than that, I have my triple top secret Plan B in place.

More news soon !

[Grand Wazoo]

Ha! that sounds like some good news at last.

But remember the old sea dog code, don't tell unless...

[Zoomie]

Originally Posted by Grand Wazoo

Ha! that sounds like some good news at last.

But remember the old sea dog code, don't tell unless...

Hence my coy silence.

Tippy Toe..........

[joebar]

Originally Posted by singlemalt

Watch the TB ads and be ready to pounce. Super J went up for sale yesterday. You can add a P pickup to the Super J's with a simple transplant and a new pickguard. The body is already routed for the pickup, in most cases.

I spent months looking at my Super J-5 at Jive Sound only to see it sold when I finally made up my mind. Even traded emails with Jive1. Bought it used a few months later here on TB.

I like the jazz bodies and necks myself. I don't know if I've seen a used Super P pop up yet.

Good luck and happy hunting!

i do believe that i bought one of the very first used P's on the market last summer-a very rare opportunity to buy the best P bass out there; they simply kill.

[TodB]

Originally Posted by alec

I would have thought that a longer scale would require a thicker string but it doesn't look that way.

It's the other way around. Both a longer scale and a thicker string make a lower note, so a 37 in B string can be thinner than a 34 inch B string and have the same tension. I use a 120 or 125 B.

[BuffaloBob4343]

Originally Posted by Zoomie

Tippy Toe..........

Lemon Tree!

[BuffaloBob4343]

Originally Posted by joebar

i do believe that i bought one of the very first used P's on the market last summer-a very rare opportunity to buy the best P bass out there; they simply kill.

You scored for sure, bro!

[BuffaloBob4343]

Originally Posted by alec

It's time for new strings on my ABZ5. I bought it second hand with Payson Nickels and they are a bit dull now.

I've been using Circle Ks on my other basses and love them, so I'll probably stick with them. I was using .135 and .142 on my 35" Schecter but I found that a .135 won't fit in the nut of my ABZ (I haven't tried the other strings in their respective nut slots). Widening the slots is an option but not my preference.

I would have thought that a longer scale would require a thicker string but it doesn't look that way.

What gauges of Ks are people using? I notice there's quite a difference between the Payson gauges and a .130 set of Ks.
Has anyone used both and can comment on the difference in tone and tension?
Payson .130 .105 .085 .065 .045
Circle K .130 .098 .076 .057 .043

I have only played the Circle K's, and I use the 130 set myself. I love them as well. I do plan to try some Paysons in the near future, just for grins. I'm still trying to figure out which flavor to try. I'm sure they're good, too.

[spiritbass]

Originally Posted by Grand Wazoo

Well of course the Dingwall forum is basically the fulcrum of all things Dingwall and this Talkbass discussions are barely scratching the surface, to be honest, the Dingwall forum it is a true live discussion directly between the members and the factory in this case Mr. Sheldon Dingwall, often things are debated there and Sheldon takes it all on board and tries the best to accomodate people's request whenever possible to phisycally obtain. For instance there was an open debate on the way the Super P headstock motif was going to be, Sheldon tried a few different approaches first by scallping a small contour, then applying a mirror type face, to be honest these were accepted by the members with a 30 to 100 percentage not in favour of these new changes whereas the 70% majority preferred the headstock the way it was with the fully scalloped inlay and the etched wording Super P or Super J whatever, I was humbled by how Sheldon took it all on board and went back to the original design just as people preferred.

To me that speaks volumes.

It truly is a pleasure to see a company as responsive as Dingwall is to their customers. Another virtue to admire in Sheldon is his never ending willingess to search for improvements to the instruments or find a better way to do what he's already doing. A cool side-effect of the change in headstock design is that there were a few unique collector's items created.