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07-30-2010, 04:45 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Western Massachusetts, USA | | | Esp rips off fender and Gibson?
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so in the new issue of bass player esp has two new basses
the phoenix and the vintage
which are basiaclly the thunderbird with the lower horn looking like an iceman
and the vintage a fender p bass
am i right in assuming they used those stylings or am i just makin this up? 
note: i love my esp bass
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07-30-2010, 04:48 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Diego, CA | | | Yes, ESP, Kramer - all those off-shore makers just build variations of other winning formulas. Nothing new... And it's not "ripping off" if it's legal - which it is. It is, however, derivative.
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07-30-2010, 04:53 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seweracuse, NY | | | You do realize that ESP started out as a company that made a living by ripping off Fender instruments, right?
They were one of the 'lawsuit' companies.
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07-30-2010, 04:53 PM
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07-30-2010, 04:56 PM
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07-30-2010, 04:56 PM
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07-30-2010, 04:58 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Western Massachusetts, USA | | | well i guess that clears that up
i feel kidna bad for owning a ltd explorer, but it sounds so good
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07-30-2010, 04:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seweracuse, NY | | | Don't feel bad, they were generally better than the originals they copied.
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07-30-2010, 05:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Western Massachusetts, USA | | | hm i guess thats cool, i mean it being better doesnt mean its not ripping off but
theres only so many designs for bodies before they start becoming boutique bases any way
still hopin a fender p is in my future tho
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07-30-2010, 05:05 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tipperary, Ireland | | | Try to find an ESP 400 series P instead, my J has seen off the likes of Fender and Sadowsky, it's the dogs gonads. |
07-30-2010, 05:06 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seweracuse, NY | | | If I could find a lawsuit era ESP Tele or Strat at a reasonable price I'd jump all over it.
I don't really need any more Jazz or Precisions...
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07-30-2010, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BigOldHarry  Yes, ESP, Kramer - all those off-shore makers just build variations of other winning formulas. Nothing new... And it's not "ripping off" if it's legal - which it is. It is, however, derivative. | Somebody said Kramer? 
But i will add, Kramer was making superb Fender types during a time that Fender was rather... not doing so hot. 
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07-30-2010, 05:17 PM
| | | | Those "vintage" ESP's are better than most Fenders from that era. Same goes for Schecter and certain Ibanez basses, all of which fell under the "lawsuit" curtain. |
07-30-2010, 08:50 PM
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