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Old 12-07-2010, 01:58 PM
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Is this a fair trade? (fretless Sterling, 69 Fender Mustang)

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I have a fretless Sterling bass, made in 1996, virtually no wear on it - nice sunburst finish. To sell it I would want $775.

He has a 1969 Fender Mustang, refinished to natural, neck sanded down, headstock decal missing. I haven't gone and checked it out yet. Asking $850.

My instincts tell me that the trade would be heavily in his favor. But I've been really wanting a Mustang since I don't play full scales anymore.

So what do you think? Fair or not fair?
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:03 PM
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You can get a brand new Fender reissue for $750 or a used one for significantly less. I would certainly not do that trade, especially with a refinish, missing decal, and who knows what else done to it! I might give $300-$400 for a bass in that condition if it was all well done and I was somehow convinced that it's for real, although a bit of the evidence is already missing.

http://www.amazon.com/Fender-Mustang.../dp/B0002KZVVQ for example!
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I agree.
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:19 PM
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If it were in original condition minus a few scrapes, sure. It is not worth near the asking price with the finish redone as well as the other missing bits
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:22 PM
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If it has original electronics: pots, PU's, wiring, etc, I'd snag the 'stang. Probably has a cool tone, and these things are getting more valuable every day (I'm starting to see TONS of hipster bands using these more and more)
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:25 PM
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If it has original electronics: pots, PU's, wiring, etc, I'd snag the 'stang. Probably has a cool tone, and these things are getting more valuable every day (I'm starting to see TONS of hipster bands using these more and more)
For the same price someone could sang a used reissue and vintage electronics off of ebay which appeals to me a heck of a lot more.

Also, I've noticed the same thing about hipster bands and I'm not sure why...
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For the same price someone could sang a used reissue and vintage electronics off of ebay which appeals to me a heck of a lot more.

Also, I've noticed the same thing about hipster bands and I'm not sure why...
To each his own if that works for you. Speaking from experience, vintage GAS doesn't just go away by purchasing a reissue in most cases...assuming the OP does HAVE vintage GAS...maybe he doesn't care either way...

Although, I'd be willing to bet once you buy a CIJ reissue, get it shipped to your door, buy the original PU's off Ebay (spending a considerable amount of $ as vintage PU's are fetching these days for ANY guitar), get them shipped and installed, you're quite close to spending about what the seller is asking in the first place on a 69 - plus it's a straight up trade - OP probably has the chance to play the bass first to see if he likes it as well.

Also, reissues are finished in poly, meh.

I think the 69 'stang would be the better deal than going through all that work. But that's all IMO, YMMV, etc etc
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I wouldn't make this trade. The Mustang is, at best, a novelty bass. It was made for young bass students with small hands. Instrument performance was not high on the list of concerns when they designed it. It sounds muddy, like crap, especially at loud volume. So unless you're in a Stones tribute band that's recreating Get Your Ya Gas Out and you need to sound like Wyman, I wouldn't make this trade.
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dont do it please keep ur sterling,i see better condition mustangs go for about 500
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If it has original electronics: pots, PU's, wiring, etc, I'd snag the 'stang. Probably has a cool tone, and these things are getting more valuable every day (I'm starting to see TONS of hipster bands using these more and more)
This must be the guy with the Mustang....
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:36 PM
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Sterling: Pro Bass, not "Vintage"
Mustang: Student Bass, "Vintage"

So, if you want a bass to play, keep the Sterling. If you want a collector's item, trade for the 'stang.
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If it were in original condition minus a few scrapes, sure. It is not worth near the asking price with the finish redone as well as the other missing bits
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Vintage Mustangs in good shape are easily worth $750 but refinished... uh uh.
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:40 PM
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I wouldn't make this trade. The Mustang is, at best, a novelty bass. It was made for young bass students with small hands. Instrument performance was not high on the list of concerns when they designed it. It sounds muddy, like crap, especially at loud volume. So unless you're in a Stones tribute band that's recreating Get Your Ya Gas Out and you need to sound like Wyman, I wouldn't make this trade.
I don't agree about the stangs being inferior basses at all.

I've played a few vintage mustangs and they all sound amazing to me! very P bassy, but a little more gritty in my opinion. I like them a lot. The reissues are good but don't sound the same or feel as good as the vintage ones.

That being said, this is definitely NOT a good trade! There might be people out there who would pay that much for it, but I personally wouldn't recommend paying more than $500 for a mustang with refinished body, sanded neck, and missing a decal. That's just not a good deal. There was a guy on here a little while ago trying to sell a 70's sunburst mustang in really nice condition and he was desperate to unload it. I think he wanted $900 for it and kept lowering it to try and get rid of it. now THAT is a good deal! But basically, you CAN find vintage ones in original condition for around that price if you look hard enough. I say if you want a mustang bass, sell your sterling for cash and start looking for a nice mustang bass.
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Trade a very good fretless bass (one of my favs) for a refin Mustang?

You must really hate fretless
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This trade is such a dog... When a Fender has its headstock sanded, it is no longer a collector's item. It might be vintage, but they are kind of lame basses, so don't overpay. You wouldn't trade your car for a Pinto, would you? Rock the fretless elsewhere.
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This must be the guy with the Mustang....
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Old 12-07-2010, 04:10 PM
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I don't agree about the stangs being inferior basses at all.

I've played a few vintage mustangs and they all sound amazing to me! very P bassy, but a little more gritty in my opinion. I like them a lot. The reissues are good but don't sound the same or feel as good as the vintage ones.

That being said, this is definitely NOT a good trade! There might be people out there who would pay that much for it, but I personally wouldn't recommend paying more than $500 for a mustang with refinished body, sanded neck, and missing a decal. That's just not a good deal. There was a guy on here a little while ago trying to sell a 70's sunburst mustang in really nice condition and he was desperate to unload it. I think he wanted $900 for it and kept lowering it to try and get rid of it. now THAT is a good deal! But basically, you CAN find vintage ones in original condition for around that price if you look hard enough. I say if you want a mustang bass, sell your sterling for cash and start looking for a nice mustang bass.
I'd love for us all to be able to sit in a room with an SVT and test out an old P Bass vs. a Mustang and see which sounds better.... the electronics in the Mustang are, quite frankly, crap. It wasn't meant to be played loud. Wyman used one, briefly in the Stones from 69-71 or so. Keith Richards wanted him to play a Fender Jazz, but Wyman's hands are very small and he couldn't deal with the length of the Jazz neck, so he took up the Mustang to please Keith by playing a Fender. Even Wyman thinks they're crap basses. Google it - it's in an old Bass Player interview.
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I'd love for us all to be able to sit in a room with an SVT and test out an old P Bass vs. a Mustang and see which sounds better.... the electronics in the Mustang are, quite frankly, crap. It wasn't meant to be played loud. Wyman used one, briefly in the Stones from 69-71 or so. Keith Richards wanted him to play a Fender Jazz, but Wyman's hands are very small and he couldn't deal with the length of the Jazz neck, so he took up the Mustang to please Keith by playing a Fender. Even Wyman thinks they're crap basses. Google it - it's in an old Bass Player interview.
So that makes it hands down without an arguement a bad bass? I agree that it's not going to sound like a P or a J. But it does have a P bass-esque tone. They do sound great for certain things. Just cause you don't like it and Wyman didn't like it doesn't mean it's bad. I know a lot of people besides myself that love mustang basses.

Copied this from wikipedia. Tell all these bassists that they're playing a worthless student bass.

-Tomethy Furse and, more recently, Rhys Webb of The Horrors use an all-black Mustang Bass.
-Trevor Bolder of David Bowie and The Spiders from Mars used a Mustang Bass among many other basses.
-Pete Agnew of Nazareth (band) used a Mustang bass on LP Loud 'n' Proud 1973.
-Lisa Brigatino, formerly of Lez Zeppelin, frequently uses a Mustang.
-Barry Bronson from Gear Wire reviews, is usually seen playing a Fender Mustang Bass when reviewing popular Bass amps.
-Holger Czukay of German band Can used the Fender Mustang extensively in the 1970s.
-Jason Falkner, solo musician, uses a black mid 70's Mustang Bass.
-Tim Foreman of Switchfoot presently uses this bass for live presentations.
-Nicolas Godin of the French band Air uses a red Mustang Bass on tour and when recording.
-Clive Griffiths of Patto used a Mustang bass for most of his tenure with the band.
-Brian Hill of The Postmarks currently uses this bass for live performances as well as recording.
-Gary Jarman of The Cribs used a Mustang Bass for The Cribs' self titled debut album, and extensively live around this period.
-John Deacon of Queen occasionally used one and also had one as a backup for his Fender Precision Bass.
-Alan Lancaster of Status Quo used Mustang and Musicmaster basses.
-Denny Laine occasionally used one during his time with Wings, when lead singer Paul McCartney would switch from bass to piano or guitar.
-John Linnell of They Might Be Giants plays a Mustang Bass in the music video for "The Guitar (The Lion Sleeps Tonight)", although his role in the band is almost always that of keyboardist or saxophonist.
-Colin Moulding of XTC used a Musicmaster bass in 1979.
-Chris Murphy of Sloan frequently uses a Mustang bass.
Dee Dee Ramone played a Musicmaster bass during the early days of the Ramones.
-Fred Smith of Television (band) used a Mustang bass during the band's early days.
-Thompson Twins used a Musicmaster bass on tape Hold Me Now in 1983.
-Wally Waller of the Pretty Things used a Mustang bass from 1967 to approximately 1976, including on the band's seminal albums S.F. Sorrow and Parachute.
-Tina Weymouth of Talking Heads used a Mustang bass in the early days of the band.
-Carl Wilson of The Beach Boys used it in the video of Good Vibrations, and probably he used it on 1967 album Smiley Smile, too.
-Bill Wyman of The Rolling Stones used Mustang basses in the late-1960s and early-1970s.
-Bill Church of Montrose used a Mustang in the early days.
Roger Glover of Deep Purple used a Mustang on the Fireball album.
-Jon "KC Wolf" Kindler of The Chariot plays a white Mustang on the band current tour supporting the album "Wars and Rumors of Wars".
-Patrick of The Illegal Kind plays a mustang bass.
Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth can be seen playing a Musicmaster bass in the video for the band's song "Bull in the Heather."
-Todd Ingram (Brandon Routh) from Scott Pilgrim vs. the World plays a Fender Mustang bass with the fictional band the Clash at Demonhead.
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Old 12-07-2010, 07:48 PM
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thanks for the input guys.

as I mentioned before, I find myself playing short scales simply because I'm way more comfortable on them. I don't view Mustangs as inferior basses. I've tried RI Mustangs but I don't like them... the necks on them feel much different than the real thing to me.

But I played the Sterling a bit tonight, and I have to say, the sound of a fretless MusicMan bass really does it for me. I'll probably end up keeping the Sterling and continue to hunt for a cheap older stang.
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