Fender decals on not-really-Fender basses

[audiomitch]

Originally Posted by kurosawa

What's not good? Buy a Fender. Problem solved.

I have plenty of Fenders, no problem to be solved. I was referring to the post I quoted saying no one will care if you are "good" and bring a Squier. That's not always the case.

[Turock]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Rock

You should be asking khutch that question, not me. He brought the whole "moral compass" thing into this. I asked a rhetorical question to specifically point out that morality isn't black and white.

Counterfeiting an instrument seems pretty black and white; nope, no grey area there.

[Sgt. Rock]

Originally Posted by Turock

Counterfeiting an instrument seems pretty black and white; nope, no grey area there.

Are you under the impression that everyone uses your definitions?

[ggunn]

Originally Posted by Turock

Counterfeiting an instrument seems pretty black and white; nope, no grey area there.

It's never straight up or down
We're living in a wiggly world

[C.Linton]

Originally Posted by audiomitch

Not quite true. If you are playing professionally for hire and show up with a Squier, you may end up losing the gig, or future gigs. Sorry, but the perceptions about Squiers are out there, pretending it's not could cost you gigs. Sure, some producers don't know or care. But others are nervous (sometimes with good reason) and the bass player they just hired showed up with a "kiddie" instrument. Not good.

You and I know that a good instrument is good regardless of the decal. Other people, usually the ones in charge of the final product may not see it that way, and want a known quantity ie: Fender. My job is to play bass, not convince them they are mistaken.

I also think that if you're a "good" player, Fender won't mind you playing in public with the Fender logo slapped on whatever you want to.

Reselling a Squier as a Fender is a whole other can of worms, and then the whole "moral compass" thing comes in to play.

I hear a lot of people making this claim but I have yet to see anyone with a specific incident or incidents to support this claim or that it happens on a regular basis.

[hdracer]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Rock

Are you under the impression that everyone uses your definitions?

How's this

coun·ter·feit (kountr-ft)
v. coun·ter·feit·ed, coun·ter·feit·ing, coun·ter·feits
v.tr.
1. To make a copy of, usually with the intent to defraud; forge: counterfeits money.
2. To make a pretense of; feign: counterfeited interest in the story.
v.intr.
1. To carry on a deception; dissemble.
2. To make fraudulent copies of something valuable.
adj.
1. Made in imitation of what is genuine with the intent to defraud: a counterfeit dollar bill.
2. Simulated; feigned: a counterfeit illness.
n.
A fraudulent imitation or facsimile.

Seems to me what you like doing fits right into the definition.

[96tbird]

Originally Posted by hdracer

How's this

Seems to me what you like doing fits right into the definition.

But not HIS definition. So one could expand on that morality to imagine that his defense in, oh, say a child murder might be: "I forgot murder was illegal."

Surely I jest.

[peledog]

Who really cares in the end? The onus is on the buyer. If you own the bass, you can do whatever you want to it. When you sell it, well...karma's a bitch.

[Turock]

Originally Posted by Sgt. Rock

Are you under the impression that everyone uses your definitions?

Obviously, you don't use mine or Webster's.

[Turock]

Originally Posted by peledog

Who really cares in the end? The onus is on the buyer. If you own the bass, you can do whatever you want to it. When you sell it, well...karma's a bitch.

I suspect you'll care if you ever get suckered.

[96tbird]

I gotta go with Webster's.

[Shadi]

I'd use SX decals but after an exhaustive search online, I can't find anyone who makes quality knock offs....

[fjadams]

Originally Posted by Shadi

I'd use SX decals but after an exhaustive search online, I can't find anyone who makes quality knock offs....

I used this company to make the decals for my two Squier rebuilds. Very high quality, fast shipping, many styles to choose from. You could probably find one of their styles that would work for you.

http://shop.rothkoandfrost.co.uk/

[rockinrayduke]

"I'm a fancy man and I have lots of fancy things."



Now there's a great sig line right there.

[audiomitch]

Originally Posted by C.Linton

I hear a lot of people making this claim but I have yet to see anyone with a specific incident or incidents to support this claim or that it happens on a regular basis.

I wouldn't with a lot of the producers I work with. Maybe that's why nobody has a story to share. Too embarrassed or they knew not to do it in the first place.

What if you showed up at your day job with what was considered inappropriate tools, or dressed in inappropriate attire?

Example: a Linux guy shows up for a corporate writing gig and demands everyone accept that Linux is better than Windows. It may very well be true, but he'll probably lose the gig.

In a competitive world (and music is VERY competitive) perception is pretty important.

[paradog]

That's what she said! Then the nurse came in with a magic pill and a large glass of vodka...funny that the glass had a crazy straw in it, like when I was a kid...yea those were the days...men had ethics, morals, and a hand shake meant something! Like my first girlfriend when she let me hold her hand! Susan was a fine young lass. Straight teeth and a firm....what were we talking about?


Medication time!

[C.Linton]

Sorry, but I just don't buy it. So you're saying showing up with anything but a Fender is inappropriate?
Bull-oney.
Anybody in the music biz who knows what he's about won't be swayed by the name on the headstock, all they're gonna care about is are you someone who can do the job. And anybody that would be swayed by such an unimportant thing is someone I would have my doubts about their competency and probably wouldn't want to work for them anyway, as I wouldn't want to work for a hack. And the only reason no-one has a story to share is because it doesn't happen, except maybe once in a great while when you just happen to run into the aforemantioned hack. Unless I start seeing stories on a regular basis that show this is a common occurrence, I'm not buying it.

[wvbass]

Originally Posted by C.Linton

Sorry, but I just don't buy it. So you're saying showing up with anything but a Fender is inappropriate?
Bull-oney.
Anybody in the music biz who knows what he's about won't be swayed by the name on the headstock, all they're gonna care about is are you someone who can do the job. And anybody that would be swayed by such an unimportant thing is someone I would have my doubts about their competency and probably wouldn't want to work for them anyway, as I wouldn't want to work for a hack. And the only reason no-one has a story to share is because it doesn't happen, except maybe once in a great while when you just happen to run into the aforemantioned hack. Unless I start seeing stories on a regular basis that show this is a common occurrence, I'm not buying it.

I have a friend whose last gig was as a touring bassist out of Nashville. He took his Carvin and two of my Fenders. His boss said the Carvin sounded great and then asked him to play the Fenders. He took my SVT for the same reason.

[audiomitch]

Originally Posted by C.Linton

Sorry, but I just don't buy it. So you're saying showing up with anything but a Fender is inappropriate?
Bull-oney.
Anybody in the music biz who knows what he's about won't be swayed by the name on the headstock, all they're gonna care about is are you someone who can do the job. And anybody that would be swayed by such an unimportant thing is someone I would have my doubts about their competency and probably wouldn't want to work for them anyway, as I wouldn't want to work for a hack. And the only reason no-one has a story to share is because it doesn't happen, except maybe once in a great while when you just happen to run into the aforemantioned hack. Unless I start seeing stories on a regular basis that show this is a common occurrence, I'm not buying it.

Oh... Well OK then.

[paradog]

anyone wants an ice cream cone?