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11-29-2011, 07:44 PM
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Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I tried searching. I love the tone of Fender basses, but I've been wondering why their 2 biggest sellers that are arguably the most used and recognized in the music world don't have the option of 24 frets/Why has fender never moved in that direction? Going only by all of the Fender's I've seen in person, there are no 24 fretters? I'm assuming this has just stuck since P-basses hit the scene and Fender just sticks with what works?
I honestly have a very hard time playing with only 20 frets. I suppose I've only tried to do so on other's basses, but past the 12th fret I get lost/feel like something is missing. |
11-29-2011, 07:46 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New York, NY | | | There have been 24 fenders in the past and I've played a qmt jazz it was great. |
11-29-2011, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bassplayer222 
I honestly have a very hard time playing with only 20 frets. I suppose I've only tried to do so on other's basses, but past the 12th fret I get lost/feel like something is missing.
| Yeah, its the octaves at which the bass should be played. Go grab a guitar if you want to be up in that register. Of course thats my own opinion, but its mine and I like it!
As stated, Fender has made 24 fret models very recently.
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11-29-2011, 07:50 PM
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11-29-2011, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Bassplayer222 ...past the 12th fret I get lost/feel like something is missing. | That's cool. No need to limit yourself to 20 frets if your playing style calls for more. Fender has made a 24-fret model for some time now.
EDIT: Next time, don't tell people you need 24 frets- you'll get a bunch of replies about why you don't, which does not answer the thread topic or do anything to help your search. Just ask where you can find a Fender Jazz 24. Can't find any images of one that's currently available, but go to ebay and type in "Fender Jazz 24". Bunch of 'em there right now.
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11-29-2011, 08:04 PM
| | | | I was just wondering if there was a particular reason Fender sticks with 20 as their standard? Of people here who would say they specifically prefer 20 frets, why? Not saying 24 is "better", just wondering if there are some upsides to 20/downsides to 24 |
11-29-2011, 08:07 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Saint Mary's, GA | | | If you really want 24 frets on a Fender, and you're willing to pay some $ for it, Warmoth will build you a neck of the same scale that bolts right on with a "24 fret extension" which essentially means the fretboard overhangs the body for the length of the extension. The neck is designed to fit the 20 fret neck pocket/scale it's just the fretboard extends past the end of the neck (and sits flush against the body/pickguard).
All of Warmoth's products are built around the standard Fender scale and neck pocket dimensions (for both guitars and basses), except for their Gecko basses, so they will bolt right up to any Fender body (even a Squire).
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11-29-2011, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bassplayer222 I was just wondering if there was a particular reason Fender sticks with 20 as their standard? Of people here who would say they specifically prefer 20 frets, why? Not saying 24 is "better", just wondering if there are some upsides to 20/downsides to 24 | In some cases, at least with guitars, there's a "sweet spot" for the neck pickup and sometimes a 24 fret neck (at least on a guitar) can disrupt that "sweet spot" by placing the neck pickup too close to the neck. I don't know if it's the same with basses.
I'd be willing to bet that it's more of the fact that the original Fenders had 20 fret necks and they've been using the same designs for over a half century. If it's not broke, don't fix it I guess. They have made a few select models with a 24 fret neck, but they are rare.
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11-29-2011, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bassplayer222 I was just wondering if there was a particular reason Fender sticks with 20 as their standard? Of people here who would say they specifically prefer 20 frets, why? Not saying 24 is "better", just wondering if there are some upsides to 20/downsides to 24 | Fender's original design sells just fine- they have no real reason businesswise to change that for all their basses. |
11-29-2011, 08:25 PM
| | | | I've had two Schecter stiletto 5 strings and a Spector Rebop 4 string. When had the extra frets I used them. I only own 2 basses right now, both with just 20 frets and 4 strings. I don't miss the extra frets. As to why Fender doesn't make a 24 (at the moment I think) it probably has to do with tradition. Fender hasn't been a company to brake the mold really since the Leo developed the Jazz bass. (which is ok by me). It's also probably not what most of Fenders customers want. |
11-29-2011, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Bassplayer222 I was just wondering if there was a particular reason Fender sticks with 20 as their standard? Of people here who would say they specifically prefer 20 frets, why? Not saying 24 is "better", just wondering if there are some upsides to 20/downsides to 24 | It doesn't matter to me if a bass has 20, 21, 22, or 24 frets. In 35 years I've never played above the 20th fret (and not often past the 12th). Not putting down anyone that does, just answering your question.
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11-29-2011, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bassplayer222 Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I tried searching. I love the tone of Fender basses, but I've been wondering why their 2 biggest sellers that are arguably the most used and recognized in the music world don't have the option of 24 frets/Why has fender never moved in that direction? Going only by all of the Fender's I've seen in person, there are no 24 fretters? I'm assuming this has just stuck since P-basses hit the scene and Fender just sticks with what works?
I honestly have a very hard time playing with only 20 frets. I suppose I've only tried to do so on other's basses, but past the 12th fret I get lost/feel like something is missing. | OK !  |
11-29-2011, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bassplayer222 I was just wondering if there was a particular reason Fender sticks with 20 as their standard? Of people here who would say they specifically prefer 20 frets, why? Not saying 24 is "better", just wondering if there are some upsides to 20/downsides to 24 | Personally I never go past the 18th fret or so (and even that's pretty rare), I prefer keeping things simple. I feel that if I keep it to the basics (20 frets, 4 strings, etc) it's much easier to play across the board no matter what bass (standard) I'm playing and I can play more complicated stuff and continue to build on my technique, it's harder for me to do so when there are other factors that make it harder from one bass to another such as an extra string or extra frets.
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11-29-2011, 08:41 PM
| | | | Well fenders are mainly used a lot for jazz, rock and punk music. Generally those don't require more than 20 frets. I could see where funk and metal players could possibly need the full 24, but there's plenty of pointy, active humbucker equipped basses out there that work better for that stuff IMO.
Personally, I've never gone above 20... I have a Schecter stiletto 4 and honestly the 24th fret has never been touched. On my P there happens to be a huge dead spot after the 15th fret, so I can't really play up there (or need to actually).
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11-29-2011, 09:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: cincinnati | | | there was a 24 fret jazz out a couple years ago. active. quilt top. super modern. everything i despise in a bass. but they made it.
im cool with 21. when i needed higher notes i got more strings. i dont always care for the "way up the neck" tone.
and regarding the neck pickup sweet spot, i feel like that is why guys who shred on ibanez guitars sound like they do. blessing or a curse.
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11-29-2011, 09:06 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Jamestown, NY | | As others have stated, Fender makes 24-fret models. A Fender "24" model, and they have made various Deluxe models with 24 frets.
That being said, I'd inject my opinion but I'll spare that. 
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11-29-2011, 09:09 PM
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11-29-2011, 09:11 PM
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11-29-2011, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Showdown It doesn't matter to me if a bass has 20, 21, 22, or 24 frets. In 35 years I've never played above the 20th fret (and not often past the 12th). | Yeah. It seems to me an awful lot of people are simply short on the concept of bass instrumentation. 
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11-29-2011, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by parsons Yeah, its the octaves at which the bass should be played. Go grab a guitar if you want to be up in that register. Of course thats my own opinion, but its mine and I like it!
As stated, Fender has made 24 fret models very recently. | A 24-fret bass only goes one whole step higher than a 22-fret bass. What register are you talking about?
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