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12-11-2012, 01:58 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NYC | | | Hey Jason, just curious, what effect does the solid top option have on the bass? Can you explain what a solid top is too?
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12-11-2012, 02:03 PM
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Endorsing Artist: FEA Labs, Jule Amps | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: los angeles, CA | | | Solid top means the top covers the whole top of the body. It only comes into play on Elites (neck through). On a neck through the neck billet ends up having two body "wing" glued on. The neck billet then ends up as part of the top, with two separate "tops" on each wing. A "solid top" on the Elite instead uses a top that covers the whole top including the neck.
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12-11-2012, 02:10 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NYC | | | Thanks for explaining. Does that mean a regular top is just a "cover" for the bass.
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12-11-2012, 02:16 PM
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Endorsing Artist: FEA Labs, Jule Amps | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: los angeles, CA | | | Well, it's a top. Bolt on and dovetails have a body and neck which are then either bolted or glued together. In each case though there is a body, and that body can have a glued on top (usually two book matched pieces). A neck through doesn't really have a body per se. Wings are glued onto the neck. So those wings can have a top, or with more work, put a top over the wings and the top of the neck billet. That's the "solid" option - in that you can't then see the neck billet.
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12-11-2012, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by nostatic Solid top means the top covers the whole top of the body. It only comes into play on Elites (neck through). On a neck through the neck billet ends up having two body "wing" glued on. The neck billet then ends up as part of the top, with two separate "tops" on each wing. A "solid top" on the Elite instead uses a top that covers the whole top including the neck. | I get it now, I had to compare basses in the Newborn section to understand and get the visual. Thanks man.
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12-11-2012, 02:35 PM
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12-11-2012, 06:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NYC | | | What about the semi hallow body?
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12-11-2012, 07:23 PM
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Endorsing Artist: FEA Labs, Jule Amps | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: los angeles, CA | | Chambered body. My Yin Yang Deluxe has that (was the first YYD they did that way). The pair of Monarch 5s I have on order will also be chambered. I love the tone. Photo of my YYD: 
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12-11-2012, 07:23 PM
| | | Semi-hollow body means that the body has been partially gutted out to make it lighter, you can't actually see the difference in the finished product.
Here's an example of a semi-hallow body ACG Chambered Piezo only bass |
12-11-2012, 08:08 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NYC | | | Wow, thanks. I was wondering. I don't really care too much for the weight of the bass, Ill most likely pass on that option.
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12-11-2012, 08:13 PM
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Endorsing Artist: FEA Labs, Jule Amps | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: los angeles, CA | | | Chambering changes the tone as well. It isn't huge, but there is a difference. But certainly not necessary and not many go that route on a Fodera. I am so happy with the tone on my YYD though that we're trying to replicate as much of the spec as possible for the 5-strings. Only difference is that the 5s will be neck-through rather than dovetail.
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12-11-2012, 08:16 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The wild wild midwest | | | Man, I'd love to see how they make that YYD top. Considering people use a joiner to get two surfaces exactly flat to glue together, I have no idea how they make these cuts that perfect so that they can glue them up with no gaps. man..... |
12-11-2012, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by nostatic Chambering changes the tone as well. It isn't huge, but there is a difference. | Curiosity question for Jason: The first Fodera that I'm aware of that was chambered would have been the first Presentation made for Anthony Jackson (i.e #7). Was that in fact the first chambered bass that Fodera made? If not, what was and when?
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12-11-2012, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtPoorRobins Man, I'd love to see how they make that YYD top. Considering people use a joiner to get two surfaces exactly flat to glue together, I have no idea how they make these cuts that perfect so that they can glue them up with no gaps. man..... | Have a look in the LC for a maple/wedge bass that Big B is building. He shows one way that it can be done. Not saying that it's how the guys at Fodera do it though. I'm sure there are a few ways to do it. |
12-11-2012, 10:22 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NYC | | | Does every bass have a tone block? Is that where the majority of the wood tone come from?
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12-11-2012, 10:36 PM
| | | | Every elite (neck-thru) and all single-cut Foderas (Imperials / Emperor IIs, etc) have a tone block.
If you look at the back of any elite / single-cut Fodera, the piece of wood in-between the two body wings is the tone block. Most of the time the block is a different wood from the body wings (exceptions, such as AJ's bass which is has alder wings and an alder block) As far as how much it changes tone, it's a much smaller ingredient compared to the body wings / neck woods.
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12-11-2012, 10:45 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NYC | | | I honestly didnt know that. Thanks. I still have so much research to do before I order.
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12-11-2012, 10:47 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York | | | And if you get a chance to play my bolt on Emperor next month, it will only further confuse things!
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12-11-2012, 10:50 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NYC | | | This is a complicated process.
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12-11-2012, 10:55 PM
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Endorsing Artist: FEA Labs, Jule Amps | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: los angeles, CA | | | You've got three neck choices - bolt-on, dovetail, or neck-through. Fodera built Monarch 5-strings that are identical other than the neck types and posted the recordings so you can hear the differences. There also are ergonomic differences, as well as aesthetic. I love the look of the dovetail, but like the access of the neck through just a bit more. Plus the tops I picked will only fit on an Elite so that helped influence my decision.
For my basses on order the tone block will be walnut as will the wings. Neck will be maple on the fretted, ash on the fretless. The body on my YYD is chambered walnut so the goal is to replicate that in a neck-through. I think that fretboard wood has the most impact on tone, then followed by body. I think the tone block actually may have more influence than the wings for a neck-through, but I could be wrong.
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