|Warpeg ||08-19-2013 03:11 PM |
Great practice tone, but unusable live
I received my early 1990's AVRI '62 Jazz a couple of months ago. It sounds great...no...amazing at home through my practice amp. However, I hadn't had a chance to play it live -- until last week.
We had a gig this past Friday night at a bar that we've played many times before. After coming back from the break after the first set, I decided to pull out the AVRI and give it a day in court.
Ugh....it sounded muddy, there was no definition, and just sounded "boinky". I tried every EQ and pickup blend setting I could think of; nothing made it sound better.
My next step will be to try some different strings on it. However, I may now consider trying different pickups, as well. Any other suggestions?
|two fingers ||08-19-2013 03:14 PM |
Did you adjust the settings on your amp? You can't expect two different bases to sound the same using the same settings. That's just silly. You need to fiddle with the bass and amp during SOUND CHECK with the whole band playing. I own quite a few basses and have owned dozens over the years. I tend to run pretty flat but have never owned two bases that run the same settings on my amps.
|ggvicviper ||08-19-2013 03:18 PM |
When you came back from the gig, did you try plugging it back into your practice amp? If so, did it sound different from before?
|two fingers ||08-19-2013 03:20 PM |
....... and it is never going to sound like your Ray. But, then again, it wasn't designed to.
|Jason Wilson ||08-19-2013 03:20 PM |
There are only three things I could think of (not saying these are the only reasons, just what I can think of) as it would be odd for it to sound awesome and then bad unless....
It could be your settings on your live rig (as mentioned above). What is the amp you are running it through? Did you play with the amp settings?
Or, it could have been the room you played? Have you played there before? Some places can really mess with your sound, no bottom end, only a big boomy sound etc.....
Maybe also, how close were you to the amp? As bass usually sounds best a few meters away from the speaker cab, maybe with that bass you need to be farther away from it to hear it clearer.
I wouldn't go mucking around with the pickups etc yet
|Roaddog77 ||08-19-2013 03:21 PM |
I have a Schecter bass that sounds horrible through my Ampeg SVT. I love it through my Kustom head though. Sounds good DI too. I've tried several times to find a sweet tone out of it with the SVT but they just don't like each other.
|ggvicviper ||08-19-2013 03:21 PM |
Just to reiterate for those asking about his amp settings:
Originally Posted by Warpeg
I tried every EQ and pickup blend setting I could think of; nothing made it sound better.
|two fingers ||08-19-2013 03:23 PM |
Sorry, I though you meant on the bass. I didn't realize you meant the amp as well. I stand corrected. But it still isn't going to sound anything like your Ray and that's probably what your ears are "used to". The 62 AVRI is a great bass. But it's not for everyone. (Same with Rays.)
|darkstorm ||08-19-2013 03:32 PM |
Readjust the pups for best to you sound while playing along with at least a drum machine. Nice solo voices often dont sound good in full band mix. Trick I learned early on for in the mix is increase overdrive a bit more then youd want for solo voice. Adjust pups for max bite agressiveness to help avoid muddyness your hearing. Never gotten a good to me low bass sound out of ampegs myself. Could be your practice amp is voiced a lot diff then the one you used for gig.
|Warpeg ||08-19-2013 03:59 PM |
Many of you bring up a great point: It won't sound like my Stingray. I played my whole first set with my Stingray; my ears were used to hearing that tone. When I plugged in the AVRI, my ears were expecting the brilliant highs and punchy mid-lows of the Stingray...not the boinky mid-range thump of the AVRI.
|1954bassman ||08-19-2013 04:02 PM |
Sell the Fender and buy another EBMM. Simple. :D
|jasper383 ||08-19-2013 04:10 PM |
Your band has EQ'd around the sound of your other basses. Maybe at practice you can experiment a little with the guitars/keys/whatever to get the mix down with the new bass.
Way too many stock Jazz Basses out there that sound great in the mix for you to need to resort to different pickups/etc.
|carvinbassplyr ||08-19-2013 04:10 PM |
Ya, those punchy mids inherent in a Stingray will definitely be missed if you switch to a j bass without changing the eq (would probably sound scooped in comparison). Does the J's preamp have a mid knob on the preamp? Some boosting around 250hz would probably get you where you needed to be.
When in doubt, crank the mids
|bassman10096 ||08-19-2013 06:39 PM |
When in doubt, crank the mids
Almost always part of the solution. A smiley face EQ sounds great in the bedroom and is almost unusable on stage. A 'Ray is penetrating no matter how you EQ it - not so most Fenders. When you crank the mids, it may sound strange - try to get off stage and listen to what the audience hears (I don't like wireless, so I always carry a female-female 1/4" adapter so I can add a second, long instrument cord to get me out front).
|Bassmunnky ||08-19-2013 06:47 PM |
I've NEVER had a Passive bass that didn't need a good Pre-Amp to 'work' live.
If you look at the signal chain of your fave bass player...or the majority of working pros, they be plugging into pre-amps as well.
Don't have to go nuts and spend big cash...just experiment.
Sting is a great example...the 54 Precision goes to an Alembic FX-1 Preamp...so much for purity!
|Dbassmon ||08-19-2013 06:57 PM |
I can guarantee that what the people out front are hearing is not what you are hearing. What is lifeless and without definition near the amp most probably sounds killer out front.
Playing a P bass for many years, I have come to trust that it sounds great out front. Record the next gig, you will be shocked.
You do not need extensive eq, don't try and over brighten your sound, it will be harsh. Fender basses fall into the mix effortlessly, you have to try to F it up cause its great right out of the gate.
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