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Stewie26 12-25-2012 12:30 PM

How do I get this bass tone?
 
I am auditioning for a band job next week. One of the songs on the audition list is Blood & Roses by the Smithereens. I have learned this song via tabs and You Tube but my tone sounds nothing like the recording. I would be greatful for any advice. Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyF2Uqxj2FA
BTW, Merry Christmas to you all.

Dbassmon 12-25-2012 12:34 PM

Pbass with a pick and round wound strings.... you are there!

musicman666 12-25-2012 12:39 PM

Sansamp, dead rounds, and a pick!.......Probably any amp would do but definitely dead rounds and a pick..

1958Bassman 12-25-2012 12:39 PM

Through almost any amp with at least one decent speaker. I can get that with my Ibanez fretless through my '58 Bassman. If you haven't played with a pick much up to this point, I would do just about nothing BUT play with a pick until the audition.

If you have heard a lot of "purists" say that using a pick is sacrilege, don't worry- sometimes, a pick is the best/only way to get certain sounds.

Dbassmon 12-25-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 1958Bassman (Post 13624128)

"purists" say that using a pick is sacrilege. A pick is the best/only way to get certain sounds.

Using a pick is just fine, use fingers, thumb, toes... don't care how you get there just make it good....

Check out what Bobby Vega does with a pick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol8d...A4FC4ED9D9559E

Tell me this guy doesn't groove!

Stewie26 12-25-2012 01:20 PM

Thanks guys. Op here. I have no problem playing with a pick. I have a little artistis in my right fingers that flairs up from time to time so playing with a pick has allowed me to continue playing. Back to the tone. To my ear, I also hear some compression and maybe just a very light touch of phase shifting. Can't say for sure. I can hear it during the solo bass introduction at the beginning of the song. Anyone else?

Dbassmon 12-25-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie26 (Post 13624252)
Thanks guys. Op here. I have no problem playing with a pick. I have a little artistis in my right fingers that flairs up from time to time so playing with a pick has allowed me to continue playing. Back to the tone. To my ear, I also hear some compression and maybe just a very light touch of phase shifting. Can't say for sure. I can hear it during the solo bass introduction at the beginning of the song. Anyone else?

Compression on everything, not just bass... that is typical for a rock recording. I would not concern myself too much with that. You should be able to get a very even sound with a pick. I hear no phase shifting or modulation.

lowphatbass 12-25-2012 01:43 PM

I think any "phase shifting" you're hearing during the intro is just the slight chorusing effect you get with a fresher set of round wounds.
Yea, what Dbassmon said, P-bass, rounds and a pick...simple as that. I think the key would be to be able to play that line cleanly enough so you don't have to roll-off too much tone.

NYCbassist 12-25-2012 01:44 PM

Fingers Pick whatever. For the Smitherines you need to dig in extra hard and dial in some extra Treble. Plus Out of your listed Basses I would use the Jazz Bass.

Stewie26 12-25-2012 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dbassmon (Post 13624298)
Compression on everything, not just bass... that is typical for a rock recording. I would not concern myself too much with that. You should be able to get a very even sound with a pick. I hear no phase shifting or modulation.

Yeah....Maybe I am just hearing the pick it the strings during the first few bars of the bass intro and misinterpreting the sound.

Stewie26 12-25-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lowphatbass (Post 13624308)
I think any "phase shifting" you're hearing during the intro is just the slight chorusing effect you get with a fresher set of round wounds.
Yea, what Dbassmon said, P-bass, rounds and a pick...simple as that. I think the key would be to be able to play that line cleanly enough so you don't have to roll-off too much tone.

Good point about the roll off.

ERMAL 12-25-2012 02:17 PM

How Do I Get This Bass Tone?
 
Merry Christmas and good luck with the audition. It's good to hear/see someone playing my favorite band, The Smithereens.
Although you could use a pick, after seeing and studying Mike Mesaros' (their original bassist) technique, he doesn't use a pick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8MpMlxuHnk
In the liner notes for "Especially For You" (written by drummer Dennis Diken) they mention that Mike had to use the studio's Ampeg amp, since his had shot craps.
The tube amp could account for some of the compression you hear as well.
IMO I would think as long as you nail the feel, pick/fingers, tube/s.s. would be secondary.
Let us know how it turns out.

dedpool1052 12-25-2012 04:50 PM

one thing not mentioned yet is that they're tuned to E-flat. that seems to help;)
using the neck pickup (if you have a 2-pup bass) and either picking or fingering over it helps. i've found that playing fingerstyle with flats has gotten me the closest to the original tone.

obimark 12-25-2012 04:56 PM

One of my favorites I play with my band. Pick, pick and P-Bass. A little bit of OD (or tube tone at 50% on my TC BG250), Perfect tone.

One think about playign with a pick is you don't need to attack the strings particularly hard, I only play slightly hard during the guitar solo parts, and when the band drops out and I play the solo bass parts,
We moved ours up to standard E and it works fine. (IMHO, you either play everything half step down tuned or everything standard, no switching, easiest WAY to a MAJOR trainwreck when someone doesn't swithc in your band right)

Ric5 12-25-2012 05:02 PM

How do I get this bass tone?

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Get a Rickenbacker.

CharlieC 12-25-2012 05:08 PM

Here's how I would do it, Merry Christmas!

http://www.zinfanus.com/zoom_b3

Stewie26 12-25-2012 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ERMAL (Post 13624407)
Merry Christmas and good luck with the audition. It's good to hear/see someone playing my favorite band, The Smithereens.
Although you could use a pick, after seeing and studying Mike Mesaros' (their original bassist) technique, he doesn't use a pick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8MpMlxuHnk
In the liner notes for "Especially For You" (written by drummer Dennis Diken) they mention that Mike had to use the studio's Ampeg amp, since his had shot craps.
The tube amp could account for some of the compression you hear as well.
IMO I would think as long as you nail the feel, pick/fingers, tube/s.s. would be secondary.
Let us know how it turns out.

Thanks everyone for some really good advice. After hearing the live version that Ermal provided the link to above, I feel a lot better about the tone I am getting. The live version sounds closer to my live tone. The studio track tone is better, IMO, but I can live with the tone above for my audition.

NYCbassist 12-25-2012 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie26 (Post 13625275)
Thanks everyone for some really good advice. After hearing the live version that Ermal provided the link to above, I feel a lot better about the tone I am getting. The live version sounds closer to my live tone. The studio track tone is better, IMO, but I can live with the tone above for my audition.

Good Man! That is a song that will sound great If you nail the notes down & the Feel. I love playing Smithereens on My RIC but any Bass will work. Good luck with the Audition. :)

Stewie26 12-25-2012 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCbassist (Post 13625597)
Good Man! That is a song that will sound great If you nail the notes down & the Feel. I love playing Smithereens on My RIC but any Bass will work. Good luck with the Audition. :)

Thanks. Yeah, I am guessing thats why they put this song is on the audition list. It's a great song and is very bass driven with a super cool signature bass line. It would be kind of hard for one to improvise their way thru and have it sound right. BTW, This is my first audition. In the past I have been in a lot of bands but just kind of fell into the postion without an audition. Since this is my first audition experience, I am figuring I will be under a magnified glass so I better have my sh*t together. TB is a great help.

Growly Lytes 12-25-2012 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by musicman666 (Post 13624126)
Sansamp, dead rounds, and a pick!.......Probably any amp would do but definitely dead rounds and a pick..

I second that....
Sansamps any of them with Fender PJ bass & definitly a pick.


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