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Old 12-28-2012, 04:50 AM
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Well, I finally finished all the posts. Quite a read, took about 2 months!. However, in those months, I was inspired to do a custom bass from what I've learned here. I've had to switch to upright bass this year (I bought an NS Design NXT) and since I had business trips coming up, I began to think about a solution for a portable upright bass. The trip was a month away when I started the build, and I decided to use as much of the stuff I had laying around the house to build this. I call it the Very Small Double Bass... VSDB. The idea was to have a bass that would be played vertically.
The neck ( removable) is left over maple from an EUB project I'm working on. The sides, nut, bridge, 'tailpiece' and pickup enclosure are purpleheart, another leftover. The back is Brazilian Cherry (left over), and the top I actually bought from Stew Mac... it's western cedar. I wanted an organic sound for the top. The bass also has an internal JFET piezo buffer/preamp that is turned on when you insert the guitar cord.
The neck is kinda interesting. My first thought was to make the bass headless, not knowing squat about the Pahoehoe string stretch (hadn't got very far in the threads... duh.) so I designed a method for doing that, that will work quite well with metal strings, and not in a million years with the Pahoehoe's due to the incredible stretch. So I rummaged through my old parts bags and came up with some Fender style tuners, and one of them had a relatively small base plate, which I cut down even further to fit the small amount of room I had on the headstock (remember I'm using leftover wood...) and one had really wide tuning posts, and they fit together! The neck angle can be adjusted to change the string height, and of course, it comes off for packing in my luggage.
Also, the neck size, and profile of the back of the neck, and of the fingerboard, are duplicates of my EUB neck from the nut to about the 10th 'fret' position... I used one of those profile gauges to make sure, so it would be easy to transition between the two instruments.

First problem out of the box was how to keep then strings from slipping out of the tuner slots, a problem which I overestimated maybe, but the solution was simple. I drilled a ¼ inch hole down the center of the tuning posts, and tapped the hole with a ¼ – 20 thread, then dug up 4 of those brass knurled knobs from an old telescope project, and voila! Self locking tuners! You can't believe how much this has helped with putting strings on and off. I think in the course of this build, I've had those strings on and off over 20 times easy.
I used two Radio Shack buzzer piezo's under the bridge, they are sandwiched between two strips of bicycle inner tube rubber, wired in parallel to the buffer. The bridge floats on top of the top rubber layer. It's got a removable battery type box too.
The weird shape was done to allow the bass to sit between the legs while sitting in a chair, like when chillin' after dinner in a hotel room... This works fairly well, especially when I have the rubber tailpiece stub on it (helps the wood from slipping on the chair seat). The body indent is meant to fit against the leg, and the smaller bit by the tailpiece is pressed by the other leg, thus it'll work right or left handed. I did put a 1/4-20 thread insert in the bottom of the instrument, for the nub, and for fitting on a tripod or whatever.
True testimony: I took it to a rehearsal, and played Cantaloupe Island on it. The bandleader loved it, he was quite astonished, and asked me if I could get my EUB to sound like that... (now please don't take this as an indictment of the EUB, turns out he is a little hard of hearing, and he wanted my EUB volume up).

The acoustic unamplified sound, oddly enough, does come through in the amplified sound, I can hear the top in the character of the amp'd tone. Pretty cool.

The VSDB is not finished, I still need to inlay some good dots (current dots are just stickers I punched out) and I want to bind the top, and then apply a finish, but I have to wait till spring, as I can't spray in my house.

This was (and still is) a great fun build, and now I have a nice portable DB to take with me when I travel.
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:09 AM
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Very cool. Sound clips?
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Very cool. Sound clips?
Yes, please, agfrag, if you can! This is way cool!
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:15 AM
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Impressive, Agfrag!!!
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:08 AM
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holy shmokes that thing is cool!
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Old 12-28-2012, 01:44 PM
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I had a mini EUB with Pahoehoe strings project kind of moving, but shelved it due to other stuff. This makes me want to re-start it.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:11 PM
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Wow agfrag! I may need to take a little trip north to see that. What was the scale length you ended up with? Looks longer than usual. Very cool.
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Old 12-28-2012, 08:44 PM
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Thanks folks, I'm blushing! I plan to do a vid, was gonna do it today, but ran out of time... scale length is 22".
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:03 PM
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I like that agfrag bass! Fingerboard with a radius! But I wouldn't be able to make one myself.

So I took a look at a dream ihad some time back:

http://www.nedsteinberger.com/instruments/omnibass.php

Looking at the price tag reminded me why it stayed a dream.

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Old 12-29-2012, 03:02 AM
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Bravo, Agfrag!

It seems Ubass give some new ideas to many creators.
There's a luthier in France who make that:

http://www.berneluthier.fr/instrumen..._jobass_fr.htm
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Bravo, Agfrag!

It seems Ubass give some new ideas to many creators.
There's a luthier in France who make that:

http://www.berneluthier.fr/instrumen..._jobass_fr.htm
Wow.

Google translates the text at that page to:

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Aquila strings made ​​me want to take the banjo in bass ...
Vibrating length: 54 cm. Neck and body cherry, rosewood fingerboard. Ghoto bass mechanical, micro piezo.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:59 AM
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Check out the video of that Jo Bass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRdPgT9VfY0

If you can, run your computer audio to a bass amp.
Then - look out.

Awesome.
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Attention Bridge/saddle experts

Ok, UBass bridge and saddle experts.
Please take a look at the two pics and comment.

These are pics of the bridge of my new mahogany UBass.

The purpose of the first picture is to show the strip of metal
sticking out. Is that the pickup?

The purpose of the second picture is to show the angle of the saddle sitting in the bridge slot.

Does this look normal for the current design, or is something possibly up? Thanks.
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:37 AM
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Ok, UBass bridge and saddle experts.
Please take a look at the two pics and comment.

These are pics of the bridge of my new mahogany UBass.

The purpose of the first picture is to show the strip of metal
sticking out. Is that the pickup?

The purpose of the second picture is to show the angle of the saddle sitting in the bridge slot.

Does this look normal for the current design, or is something possibly up? Thanks.
Both U-basses I have owned had the metal piece on the pickup assembly. That' normal. The bridge assembly angle looks ok to me- too much angle and you will lose some output volume. Im sure it could be adjusted with a shim if it bugs you. If it sounds good, I'd leave it alone.
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Both U-basses I have owned had the metal piece on the pickup assembly. That' normal. The bridge assembly angle looks ok to me- too much angle and you will lose some output volume. Im sure it could be adjusted with a shim if it bugs you. If it sounds good, I'd leave it alone.
Thanks much. Def sounds very good - very even volume string to string.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:27 AM
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These are pics of the bridge of my new mahogany UBass.
Is the bridge straight across, compensated for string length in any way? Any noticeable effect on intonation?
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:33 AM
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The saddle itself is straight, but each section of the saddle is individually compensated. Significantly. I'll take a top view later.
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Aquila strings made ​​me want to take the banjo in bass ...
Vibrating length: 54 cm. Neck and body cherry, rosewood fingerboard. Ghoto bass mechanical, micro piezo.

That's cool that the Thunderguts inspired the short scale design.
Banjos normally using steel strings, it's an unusual concept.

Off topic, but the other night I saw a bluegrass trio with a banjo bass made of at least a 24" diameter bass drum mounted to a larger poker table top. The thing was as big as a wagon wheel! Full scale with conventional strings. Didn't get a picture.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:40 AM
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The saddle itself is straight, but each section of the saddle is individually compensated. Significantly. I'll take a top view later.
OK, so exactly the same as my spruce top I got over a year ago. Just wondered, keep hearing about different bridge designs in newer production.
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