Logical Rickenbacker Copy - Page 3

sloppy_phil · #41 09-17-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Immigrant

The name of the bass and the thread are still uncomfortable to me.

Logical Rickenbacker copy. The only logical Ric is a real Ric. Some of the Univox and Greco copies were cool, but still illogical.

I got thrown by the title at first, too. Didn't realize a company named Logical existed...!

declassified · #42 12-20-2012, 11:57 AM

there is one these hanging on the wall at steves music in ottawa. being left handed, i didn't try it out. looks nice though

pedrodelawasp · #43 12-20-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Immigrant

The name of the bass and the thread are still uncomfortable to me.

Logical Rickenbacker copy. The only logical Ric is a real Ric. Some of the Univox and Greco copies were cool, but still illogical.

12stringbassist · #44 12-20-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by aquateen

RIC is protecting their trademark, something Fender never did. if they had, there wouldn't be any P or J copies.

+1.
Cheap copies deprive the original design owners of sales.
Fender and Gibson should have got their designs protected from the start.
Rickenbacker were a lot smarter.

Andii Syckz · #45 12-31-2012, 08:01 AM

Got the exact same bass. Had it for a year. A gift from my dad for xmas and other events he had missed over the years in my life. Best sounding bass ever. Although the toggle switch seems to be a defect in most of them since they tend to loosen inside which makes pickup selecting defective. Over all, i'm a proud owner. Sounds, looks, plays, feels much better than the real deal. IMO. Half wounds are the next step for this bass. I still have the factory strings on

Avalon · #46 12-31-2012, 08:16 AM

I have seen Dillion copies of Ric's for sale in reputable US guitar stores. They are not that close to a real Ric, but it does make me wonder if they have an agreement with Ric to sell them in the US market. The Dillion's look chincey from a strictly appearance perspective - I did not try it out - but they had it in Jet Glo and Fire Glo. As there were a few of them, and brand new at that, it seemed to me that they must have Ric's approval.

bill reed · #47 12-31-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 12stringbassist

+1.
Cheap copies deprive the original design owners of sales.
Fender and Gibson should have got their designs protected from the start.
Rickenbacker were a lot smarter.

Ric only took out copyright in 1986 when John hall and his sister took over the company, before that they were the same as Gibson and Fender. they took out another copyright in 2000. has Ric ever taken anyone to court and won!!! i know they have said the would but not sure it ever went to court! i know they speak about the lawsuit basses that were made in Japan in the 70s like univox but i can find nothing about them ever going to court and winning! only of them threatening to do so!!! i do know that Gibson did go to court in Germany and lost!

Dluxe · #48 12-31-2012, 09:01 AM

Let me guess, these are made in China?

bh2 · #49 12-31-2012, 09:40 AM

Canadia

Immigrant · #50 12-31-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Avalon

I have seen Dillion copies of Ric's for sale in reputable US guitar stores. They are not that close to a real Ric, but it does make me wonder if they have an agreement with Ric to sell them in the US market. The Dillion's look chincey from a strictly appearance perspective - I did not try it out - but they had it in Jet Glo and Fire Glo. As there were a few of them, and brand new at that, it seemed to me that they must have Ric's approval.

Some Dillions aren't half bad. I can't say I've ever handled the Ric-esque model, but I've tried a few Les Paul clones.

The Schecter Stargazer shares Ric-like shape attributes but I believe neither company needs a deal with Ric because they aren't direct knockoffs.

I guess I can somewhat understand the fascination with acquiring one of the Chinese knockoffs, but if given the choice between buying an affordable fake Ric or accepting the fact I can't afford a real Ric at the moment and maybe never will, I'll choose the latter.

To each their own.

Andii Syckz · #51 12-31-2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dluxe

Let me guess, these are made in China?

Vancouver, Canada. These are built to last.

Tvrtko · #52 12-31-2012, 12:59 PM

Ric is hurting themselves with bad quality of instruments.
I love cheap stuff that works well.

deeptubes · #53 12-31-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 12stringbassist

+1.
Cheap copies deprive the original design owners of sales.

I disagree. It seems that most people who are willing to drop a couple of hundred bucks on copies aren't willing pay $1500-$2000. Some do move on and buy the real deal. But for the most part, they are drawing from two different customer pools.

JPrinos · #54 12-31-2012, 02:44 PM

Can't seem to find the Ric copy on their site (under products).

Do they make a 5 string Ric?

bill reed · #55 12-31-2012, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by deeptubes

I disagree. It seems that most people who are willing to drop a couple of hundred bucks on copies aren't willing pay $1500-$2000. Some do move on and buy the real deal. But for the most part, they are drawing from two different customer pools.

Now 60 and as bedroom player now, i could not justify paying £1700 for a bass to play in my bedroom, i did get myself a Rockinbetter for just over £400 new and am very happy with it. if i had the money then yes i would buy a real Ric but at my age i don't see that happening. i do feel that there is a big gap in the market, both Fender and Gibson have cheeper models in there Squire and Epiphone models and that works really well for both of them, i would love for Ric to make or even to licence the making of a cheeper (£500) bass as a entry bass for Ric style basses.
what would you rather buy at £500, a licened Ric Chinese made bass or just a copy chinese bass. i think most would go for the licened one. i dont think it would affect the USA ric as if you have the money then you would still want a real ric.

Red_Merkin · #56 12-31-2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 12stringbassist

+1.
Cheap copies deprive the original design owners of sales.
Fender and Gibson should have got their designs protected from the start.
Rickenbacker were a lot smarter.

As evidenced by their size and popularity relative to Fender and Gibson

Tvrtko · #57 12-31-2012, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bill reed

Now 60 and as bedroom player now, i could not justify paying £1700 for a bass to play in my bedroom, i did get myself a Rockinbetter for just over £400 new and am very happy with it. if i had the money then yes i would buy a real Ric but at my age i don't see that happening. i do feel that there is a big gap in the market, both Fender and Gibson have cheeper models in there Squire and Epiphone models and that works really well for both of them, i would love for Ric to make or even to licence the making of a cheeper (£500) bass as a entry bass for Ric style basses.
what would you rather buy at £500, a licened Ric Chinese made bass or just a copy chinese bass. i think most would go for the licened one. i dont think it would affect the USA ric as if you have the money then you would still want a real ric.

Exactly in the line what I was thinking... But, they run the show as they think it's good for them (at this point)

Musky · #58 01-01-2013, 07:43 AM

These are sold in the UK as Bass Collection California basses and as far as I remember were also available with checkered binding. Made in Korea.

There's only one left on the site selling these at the moment, so perhaps JH has been having a word in someone's ear!

bill reed · #59 01-01-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Musky

These are sold in the UK as Bass Collection California basses and as far as I remember were also available with checkered binding. Made in Korea.

There's only one left on the site selling these at the moment, so perhaps JH has been having a word in someone's ear!

They look be be the same bass as the older rockinbetter or if you live in Australia they are called Reblerockers, the 20 fret ones are made in China in the Tokia factory and imported into the uk and Australia. the 22 fret ones are the newer made ones and made in Korea but no one knows at what factory but all the imports are Tokia UK or Tokia Korea, the 22 fret ones have the double action trussrod and with the extra frets the bridge is moved forward a little giving the bass even better intonation than the 20 fret ones..
the hardware is the same and its the same bridge and pickup cover.
I would think all the 20 fret ones are from China and the 22 fret ones are Korea. i would say the one in the picture is from China not Korea but as there are two kinds it easy to get them mixed up if you don't know about the fret numbers. the price is around the same for all three basses and I bet the Bass Collection California are imported in to the UK by Tokia Uk.
if going for one of these basses i would go for the newer 22 fret one unless you get the 20 fret one for under £400.

MMatFoCBass · #60 01-07-2013, 06:45 PM

I love seeing butt-hurt fan boys;

If you are confident in the brand you buy, then don't worry.

I just sent a message to the main center of business for Logical Guitars; I really like their given product line, being all around a $500.00 price range (Most as I've seen include a HSC).

So yes, these things are in production, and they'll have a new line coming out in February.