Modern Neck vs. Vintage Neck (Audio Clips)

[cybersnyder]

Originally Posted by -=DanAtkinson=-

Are you talking about where I go from fingerstyle to pick?

I'll have to declare the comparison invalid since you didn't slap.

[Double E]

Originally Posted by Templar

Everyone already knows all that stuff, but none of that is demonstrated here.

The real point of these test threads is to start arguments. It's called trolling.

If you think challenging all this nonsense is stirring things up, perhaps you should become a moderator. Then you can censor other members who's opinions offend your sensibilities.

You are so blinded by your righteousness that you don't see that you are the only one arguing anything.

[kurosawa]

OTOH, there's a huge diff between the 2 "identical" maple/rose SQ-series P necks I have here. Both are loud. One's drier and punchier, the other wetter, darker, and a shade louder. This neck business is hit-and-miss. My all-wenge Warmoth J neck sounds clear and compressed and has a 1kHz spike that makes me wince.

[Templar]

Originally Posted by IronLung1986

You brought the acrimony, and you are the troll here. This was a perfectly harmonious thread for for five pages. Work on your tone of voice, it's more important than the tone of a piece of wood.

Careful, your intolerance of others' opinions is showing.

One thing every one of these "test" threads have had in common....the fervent "faithful" have little respect for opinions from dissenters, or anyone who dares to question the "how's" and "why's" surrounding these so-called experiments.

One guy says "Don't stir things up". Another says "Watch your tone of voice". Both comments are tantamount to "Shut up". You guys don't get to tell other members to shut up. That perogative belongs to the mods and admins, if/when they decide to do so.

[Templar]

Originally Posted by -=DanAtkinson=-

I think someone is projecting. There was no arguing until you came along.

If only. Let's face it, your "wood" threads have sparked some of the most divisive, bitter disputes in the history of Talkbass.

Posts were coming in from builders themselves, in an effort to defend their veracity, after having been accused of every evil under the sun. It was embarrassing.

Hopefully, this "test" thread will not develop like the others did.

[basswave]

Originally Posted by -=DanAtkinson=-

Did you install the exact same pickups and strings on all the basses first?

Yes actually Nordstrand NJ with XLs (I supplied 5 Js alone) Some where clones of each other.

[basswave]

Originally Posted by Templar

If only. Let's face it, your "wood" threads have sparked some of the most divisive, bitter disputes in the history of Talkbass.

Posts were coming in from builders themselves, in an effort to defend their veracity, after having been accused of every evil under the sun. It was embarrassing.

Hopefully, this "test" thread will not develop like the others did.

Have you been on some of the threads where fEARfull guys use a thin veil of science to bash 410 cabinets in the amp forum.
(PS no bashing those designs or what Dan is doing).

I think those threads are worse.

[cybersnyder]

Originally Posted by Templar

One guy says "Don't stir things up". Another says "Watch your tone of voice". Both comments are tantamount to "Shut up". You guys don't get to tell other members to shut up. That perogative belongs to the mods and admins, if/when they decide to do so.

Shut up? Not at all. Read it as "your tone, whether intentional or not, is coming across as very disrespectful." But I suspect you already know that.

[bassbombs84]

obvious troll thread is obvious

[-=DanAtkinson=-]

Originally Posted by Templar

If only. Let's face it, your "wood" threads have sparked some of the most divisive, bitter disputes in the history of Talkbass.

Posts were coming in from builders themselves, in an effort to defend their veracity, after having been accused of every evil under the sun. It was embarrassing.

Hopefully, this "test" thread will not develop like the others did.

I guess I'm the eternal optimist. I'm always hopeful that I can post something a little different than the typical "Which color pickguard looks best?" or "Show your blue basses!" type threads and TB can be mature enough to handle it. We were doing great for 4 pages. No universal agreement but the debate was respectful.

Then things changed when a certain somebody came along an changed the tone. My optimism is starting to fade.

[basswave]

Originally Posted by -=DanAtkinson=-

Then things changed when a certain somebody came along an changed the tone. My optimism is starting to fade.

Stay positive...Threads like yours are breath of fresh air.

Even if I think there is more of difference then most the others on this thread. I think this type of experimentation is fantastic.

[sven kalmar]

well..my two Ps sure sound different. Both alder.one mim rosewood, one road.
put your ear to the neck or body and body. Perhaps one could use a transducer and some kind of spectral analysios of the sounds?

[Templar]

Originally Posted by basswave

Have you been on some of the threads where fEARfull guys use a thin veil of science to bash 410 cabinets in the amp forum.
(PS no bashing those designs or what Dan is doing).

I think those threads are worse.

Yes, I do follow those threads and find them very informative. I'm no acoustical engineer, and much of the data they present is over my head, but I don't sense that the fEARful guys are being disingenuous in any way. Zealous? You bet, and why not, everyone seems to love those cabs. I'd love to check them out too. And if I like how they sound, I won't need anyone telling me it's all in my head, and that I just "think" I hear what I hear.

Additionally, their claims are "measurable" for anyone with the inclination and wherewithal. Nor have I ever felt offended to learn something new from people who know what they're talking about, just because I happen to use 410 cabs myself. On the contrary, I'm glad to be armed with a bit of knowledge now, so I can make better choices next time I buy new cabs.

[phishaholik]

You guys can bash Templar all you want, but he is completely and totally right. This thread proves absolutely nothing other than it's possible for two necks with different woods, as well as with or without graphite rods, can sound very similar in these recording conditions.

It can be a fun thread to discuss, but this information isn't applicable to any other necks than the two necks recorded, and that only applies to the situation they were recorded in. This is basic stats and methods stuff.


Michael

[basswave]

Originally Posted by Templar

Yes, I do follow those threads and find them very informative. I'm no acoustical engineer, and much of the data they present is over my head, but I don't sense that the fEARful guys are being disingenuous in any way. Zealous? You bet, and why not, everyone seems to love those cabs. I'd love to check them out too. And if I like how they sound, I won't need anyone telling me it's all in my head, and that I just "think" I hear what I hear.

I do want to derail the thread, but not everyone loves them.
To me most of what I have heard with those designs sounds like a kickerbox mated with a inexpensive studio monitor (except for Accugroove)

[-=DanAtkinson=-]

Originally Posted by phishaholik

You guys can bash Templar all you want, but he is completely and totally right. This thread proves absolutely nothing other than it's possible for two necks with different woods, as well as with or without graphite rods, can sound very similar in these recording conditions.

It can be a fun thread to discuss, but this information isn't applicable to any other necks than the two necks recorded, and that only applies to the situation they were recorded in. This is basic stats and methods stuff.

Good grief. Some of you guys take things way too seriously.

You don't find this thread useful? That's cool. Maybe ignore it and move along? If I posted my disapproval in every TB thread I deemed pointless and trivial it would be a full time job.

[phishaholik]

Originally Posted by -=DanAtkinson=-

Good grief. Some of you guys take things way too seriously.

You don't find this thread useful? That's cool. Maybe ignore it and move along?

Why are you attacking me now? I'm not upset or angry and I didn't say anything rude or attack anyone. You are just proving his point that if anyone disagrees they are told to shut up or leave. I even stated that it is a fun thread to discuss.

"Hey man....don't point out the flaws in my belief system!"



Michael

[cybersnyder]

Wood matters very little. Want proof? Pick up your jazz bass and play with neck soloed, bridge soloed, pickups blended. Exact same wood but it sounds completely different. 90% of tone is in electronics and strings. Ignoring the player factor.

[-=DanAtkinson=-]

Originally Posted by phishaholik

Why are you attacking me now? I'm not upset or angry and I didn't say anything rude or attack anyone. You are just proving his point that if anyone disagrees they are told to shut up or leave. I even stated that it is a fun thread to discuss.

"Hey man....don't point out the flaws in my belief system!"

He did not "disagree". He came into the thread to criticize the thread and paint it as useless, using a combative tone. You also painted it as useless. "Fun", perhaps. But useless nonetheless.

Other people did indeed disagree with my assertion that the clips sounded very close. They were not told to shut up or leave.

From now on I guess I'll stick to threads like "Who else thinks yellow basses are ugly?" or "If you could only own 5 basses what would they be?"

[tsunami1052]

99.9% of Talkbass still loves you Dan!