New Fender American Vintage Series - Waiting Room - Page 11

P Bass Legend · #**201** 01-09-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by uOpt

Looks to me like the new one might be solid gloss white, no see-through.

That's true, but maybe you can only see the grain on the old one because there's much more contrast on that picture. The 57 have a much more orage-ish neck, that's probably because they wanted to emphasize the body grain, they had to put more contrast on the picture.

Natropath · #**202** 01-09-2013, 03:47 PM

Those '57's could be pretty orange-y in person.

Mastermold · #**203** 01-09-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by P Bass Legend

That's true, but maybe you can only see the grain on the old one because there's much more contrast on that picture. The 57 have a much more orage-ish neck, that's probably because they wanted to emphasize the body grain, they had to put more contrast on the picture.

Yeah these pictures are too produced/photoshoped to really compare. Just have to wait and see the real deals.

Willicious · #**204** 01-09-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by P Bass Legend

So, that's the new 58 vs the old 57.

I noticed that the headstock size and the spaghetti logo looks a bit incorrect (and basically the same as the old models). But, as expected, looks like they finally got the 12th fret dot right.

I can't wait to see the matched headstock beauties.

The new headstock size/shape is period correct for a late-50s P.

What this whole move represents on Fender's part is taking their line of supposedly vintage correct instruments and refining them to be just that—correct in as many fine details as can be.

A lot of cats on this thread are chafing at the significant price increase. I get it. What nobody knows for sure (myself included) is: when it comes to incorporating all of these seemingly little refinements into the assembly line (proper headstock shape, 12th fret dots, correct chrome pickup cover, body contours, new pickups, etc.), how much added expense does that incur for Fender? I would love to get an insider's input on this, as I myself am very curious.

With the current (disco'd) AVRI P's—both '57 and '62—they share the same headstock shape as all modern/current Fender P offerings: MIM, Highway 1, American Standard, American Special, etc. Same issue with the 12th fret dots. Why? It's cheaper from a manufacturing standpoint.

I agree with others about the diminishing price gap between the new AVRI's and the Custom Shop. Will be interesting to see where the street prices settle in.

P Bass Legend · #**205** 01-09-2013, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Willicious

The new headstock size/shape is period correct for a late-50s P.

In my eyes they look pretty much the same (and still smaller than the real late-50s P).

But will be very nice to know if they fixed that.

uOpt · #**206** 01-09-2013, 04:10 PM

Yeah I'm sure that placing the fretboard dots correctly justified the price hike...

mazdah · #**207** 01-09-2013, 04:13 PM

Subscribed!

Bassmunnky · #**208** 01-09-2013, 04:14 PM

Ship them all with Flats to be period correct. Foam Mutes should be there too..

P Bass Legend · #**209** 01-09-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by uOpt

Yeah I'm sure that placing the fretboard dots correctly justified the price hike...

Yeah, and in 5 years they will finally put right the spaghetti logo e increase another 40% of the price!

ShowLow · #**210** 01-09-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by P Bass Legend

You know what will be nice to know? If they are going to keep the tradition of selling the AVRIs line with the covers unmounted. I wouldn't mind if they came pre-drilled from factory.

Good point. I cannot bring myself to drill any bass, especially a bass as valuable as an AVRI, so my covers are still in plastic. If pre-drilled, they would be on!

sigmafloyd · #**211** 01-09-2013, 04:19 PM

the red color for the 63 p is 'Frost Red'. possibly the same as this http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Jag62NOSFSR

4001 · #**212** 01-09-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by David281189

whats new for the jazz bass? does someone know already?

Just my .02 but I think Fender should offer a dual output stereo/mono on the Jazz Basses.

Willicious · #**213** 01-09-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bassmunnky

Ship them all with Flats to be period correct. Foam Mutes should be there too..

Agreed!

Willicious · #**214** 01-09-2013, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by P Bass Legend

Yeah, and in 5 years they will finally put right the spaghetti logo e increase another 40% of the price!

What inaccuracies are you seeing with the current spaghetti logo?

lowsideonacurve · #**215** 01-09-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bassmunnky

Ship them all with Flats to be period correct. Foam Mutes should be there too..

Yes!

landau roof · #**216** 01-09-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ShowLow

Good point. I cannot bring myself to drill any bass, especially a bass as valuable as an AVRI, so my covers are still in plastic. If pre-drilled, they would be on!

So long as you don't eff them up, it won't affect the value in any negative way. The pickguard is a perfect template for the pickup cover.

D.M.N. · #**217** 01-09-2013, 05:00 PM

Evidently this is the 64 Jazz:

A-Step-Towards · #**218** 01-09-2013, 05:01 PM

Are you serious?

Why would I care about dots on the freaking 12th fret being totally perfect? The 57' RI P bass was close enough for a Reissue. If I wanted the real deal, I would buy it. I however wouldnt pay 400$ or more for a 12th fret dot and some little crap no one is going to notice, not even 99% of bass players and the ones that notice its totally "period correct" are going to also know its just a reissue?

Hell leave the 12th fret the way it is and just offer some better colors, and the old trans white on the 57 is way sexier then just regular white.

Whatever floats others boats, I wont be buying one. The reissues that just got axed will play just as nice, I am not going to be anal about it perfectly looking like a real '57. Are they cutting the bodies with a jigsaw? did they start finishing them in REAL nitro again? no. They wont ever be "correct", if you want correct you buy a real '57, or 62, or 63 or whatever year you want, not a reissue.

Also I hate covers so I am glad they dont come factory installed otherwise I would have to live with holes drilled in my bass I have no use for.

Mastermold · #**219** 01-09-2013, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by landau roof

So long as you don't eff them up, it won't affect the value in any negative way. The pickguard is a perfect template for the pickup cover.

Right the pickguard has the holes pre-drilled (not into the body, just the pickguard). The bridge covers are the ones you have to be careful with but its easy enough to figure out where they're supposed to go.

D.M.N. · #**220** 01-09-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mastermold

Right the pickguard has the holes pre-drilled (not into the body, just the pickguard). The bridge covers are the ones you have to be careful with but its easy enough to figure out where they're supposed to go.

The Jazz comes with a paper cutout stencil to align the bridge cover. The ones that are a pain to do are the mutes, especially when the included screws are sizably larger than the drill bit they recommend to pre drill...