New Fender American Vintage Series - Waiting Room

[savofenno]

Originally Posted by dedpool1052

one thing that i feel can be said for the reissue is that it shows how good the 3-bolt jazzes can be and should've been.

There was nothing wrong with 3-bolt neck joint design. Bolts were bigger and of 2 sizes. My antigua Jazz from mid-late 70`s
was a Sunday example, superb neck, good sounding pups and sustain for ages.
I bought it used 83, seller insisted it was a 1976, but they say those in antigua finish were made in only 1977-79?
Sold it 96, when i thought i was done with playing, and would only to listen others.
Stupid ideas.

[bassman_al]

I guess Fender doesn't feel it necessary to reach out to the black artists? Would they also not be interested in the series? It's a legitimate question.

Absolutely legit question. Speaks to that marketing question. Based on the video, it looks to me like Fender is generally targeting the 35+ white male crowd. And throwing a bone to the younger crowd. Or maybe the "country" crowd. Or maybe the young hipster country crowd. Maybe black players tend to go for the more modern sound. I'm 45 and white, and I love playing Motown and 60's and 70's rock and soul. I own a RI already and love it.

And fwiw, I went on youtube to see what Sugarland videos I could find. Country music just is not my thing, the songs sound the same to me. Just like all jazz songs sound the same to my wife, and many of my friends. But the thing I noticed is that the videos totally obscure Annie! Ripoff!!!! The live video that I looked at literally showed every player on stage, at least for a couple moments, except her! I finally found another one with her in it, an "AOL" unplugged kind of video, and there she was, in the back. She sounded good on the videos, and looked good on that one that I found. Sugarland looks to be mostly the dude and the chick and their band. Playing huge venues and making a living at it.

[nukes_da_bass]

The race card? Yeah ok. FMIC hasn't marketed to my people lately, the Native Ateluvian Boscs in I don't know how long!
All 11 of us are picketing FMIC until further notice.

(I am not a fan of Special Interest Lobbies can you tell?)

[bassman_al]

The race card? Yeah ok. FMIC hasn't marketed to my people lately, the Native Ateluvian Boscs in I don't know how long!
All 11 of us are picketing FMIC until further notice.

Didn't you mean the "lefties who play righty Native Ateluvian Boscs?"

[ShoeManiac]

Originally Posted by Britbonic

With respect to including Annie of Sugarland in the video you think she's in the video cause they needed to have a woman in the mix, somehow implying she's not really a competent bass player?? Really?? What is this 1955??

Tal Wilkenfeld, Rhonda Smith, Esperanza Spaulding, Meshell N'degeocello, Gail Ann Dorsey, Julie Slick, Shona Tucker, Kim Deal, Tina Weymouth, Carole Kaye. Any of these sound familiar?

You guys need to do a little research before spouting off about stuff like this. Sugarland has been one of the top country acts for the last several years. I suspect they could have anyone they want playing bass but they obviously think she's a pretty good bass player.

Which of those players that you mentioned are CURRENT Fender endorsers? Hmmm?

Obviously Fender is going to approach their endorsers first. And I have little doubt that Annie from Sugarland has a Fender endorsement largely based on the profile of her gig. Look at the American music mainstream, and I suspect that most people would recognize Sugarland more for the horrific incident where their stage rigging collapsed and killed several people than knowing their material.

[Ed777]

My great friend Alberto Vargas (Drummer) sent me this pic direct from the Namm! what do you think? I love her!!!

[sigmafloyd]

Originally Posted by ShoeManiac

Which of those players that you mentioned are CURRENT Fender endorsers? Hmmm?

Obviously Fender is going to approach their endorsers first. And I have little doubt that Annie from Sugarland has a Fender endorsement largely based on the profile of her gig. Look at the American music mainstream, and I suspect that most people would recognize Sugarland more for the horrific incident where their stage rigging collapsed and killed several people than knowing their material.

Sugerland is huge in the mainstream country world. Turn on any pop/country station in the US and you will hear them within the hour.

This thread has gone way off topic. Let's get it back on.

58 or 63 P....tough question. Jazz is easier, I'd take the 64

[backup]

Originally Posted by sigmafloyd

Sugerland is huge in the mainstream country world. Turn on any pop/country station in the US and you will hear them within the hour.

This thread has gone way off topic. Let's get it back on.

58 or 63 P....tough question. Jazz is easier, I'd take the 64

i like rosewood necks better. 63 P for me

[kobass]

Originally Posted by sigmafloyd

58 or 63 P....tough question. Jazz is easier, I'd take the 64

"Faded Sonic Blue"

63

/thread

[D Bopp]

from the description on Musiciansfriend, the 58 P bass has a thick neck. I used to have a NAMM 58 Custom Shop p bass with a thick neck. Felt awesome in my hand. I hope the new ones feel the same way.

[CLMSHQ]

Originally Posted by kobass

"Faded Sonic Blue"

63

/thread

AGREED!!!

[petrus61]

Looking at some NAMM photos, the 58's really are a bit too "white" for my taste...they could have used a little tint.

[petrus61]

As far as Annie from Sugarland goes, she's more than likely their label bassist of the week, so to speak. Might as well be Nerml McDermott, or Phil McKrakin. It's a pretty face to fit the image on stage. Ah, the ever rotating "bassist of: ...." Next week it will be Betty White. Makes no diff.

[sigmafloyd]

I've only seen the 63 P NAMM photo. Please link up any NAMM photos here!

[sigmafloyd]

Found this in the NAMM thread

[bigsnaketex]

Originally Posted by sigmafloyd

Found this in the NAMM thread

Now that's a rack of goodness!!

I'll take the first white on on the top row..........

[rigorous bass]

That Stevie Wonder tune she is playing is not the easiest song to pull off. I recognized it and thought it sounded good. I wonder if the people criticizing her have even heard this song. Classic Jamerson!

[bigsnaketex]

Seriously, back to regular programming.

We all know that country artist are not well thought of in the forums. I don't care much for it myself but I'll be darned if I'm going to argue about talent (or lack-there-of) with folks I don't know or ever listen to....

I'm sure if this girl has a gig on that scale, she can play something.

So let's all bitch about Fender some more or drool or even argue!

[Anthony Barrett]

If you take a look at the American Vintage series catalog on the Fender site, the 63 P basses have (with the exception of the red one) two drill holes either side of the bridge cover. Not the bridge cover holes, but additional ones. What's that all about?

[petrus61]

Originally Posted by sigmafloyd

Found this in the NAMM thread

That's the pic I was referring to. Can anyone yet tell from the photos we've seen if the 58 white is transparent?