The P Bass Growl

Buskman · #1 12-19-2012, 06:12 PM

Yes, another Precision thread...

LOL

Just wanted to get everyone's opinion on what components you feel make up the mystical "growl".

I'm thinking it has a lot to do with upper mids - am I correct in my assumption?

Do you find your P growls more with flats or rounds? Fingers, pick or both? What tweaking do you do (if any) to your amp to enhance it? Or do you prefer little to no growl at all & are more of a straight "thump" fan instead?

Also, feel free to give examples (songs, clips etc) that support your take on it.

Discuss...

Shakin-Slim · #2 12-19-2012, 06:17 PM

To me, the jazz bass growls a lot more.

Joshua Alexander · #3 12-19-2012, 06:23 PM

It's the gnomes.

Buskman · #4 12-19-2012, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shakin-Slim

To me, the jazz bass growls a lot more.

The Jazz definitely growls for sure, but I like to think of it as a different growl altogether than that of a Precision (the whole apples/oranges thing).

peledog · #5 12-19-2012, 07:17 PM

I don't think I'd define it as a growl. It's more of a thump or fart. It's as if the low-mids were hollow. LOL Hard to describe. I think the J bass gets more of a growl.

musicman666 · #6 12-19-2012, 07:23 PM

IT IS THE GNOMES!!! I've seen then...they live under the pup covers!

tabdog · #7 12-19-2012, 07:30 PM

I pluck hard and close to the bridge
and I like low action so the frets
growl. The settings depend on the
bass and the amp. Just too many
variables there,

Tabdog

Pimmsley · #8 12-19-2012, 07:35 PM

Bill MacCormick in 801 live, and Phil Manzanera solo albums had that 'growl' you are talking about... A white P Bass belonging to John Wetton... really had that growl and thump in every track... 801 - listen now and K-Scope...
I think it's the position, split coil humbucker thing that no other pickup can quite achieve

edit: and Rounds...

depalm · #9 12-19-2012, 07:42 PM

"Growl?"

lorianb · #10 12-19-2012, 07:42 PM

I think the Jazz growls, but the P barks and bites.

paradog · #11 12-19-2012, 07:51 PM

sorry but what is this growl you talk about? I do not own a p-bass...send me one and I will answer your question!

justinellison3 · #12 12-19-2012, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paradog

sorry but what is this growl you talk about? I do not own a p-bass...send me one and I will answer your question!

Anyone who says this has never played a Fender bass...

paradog · #13 12-19-2012, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinellison3

Anyone who says this has never played a Fender bass...

played and own a Fender Jazz....it was a joke

SunnModelT · #14 12-19-2012, 08:12 PM

I think the "growl" is more an amp thing. A tube amp with the mids boosted. Then season to taste. (I do use flats with a pick)

**hsech** · #15 12-19-2012, 08:13 PM

I think the "growl" come from the amp settings. I have an American Standard PBass and definitly like the sound. You go from sounding like hitting a wet cardboard box with a hot dog to getting a good blues or rock sound. My PBass just sounds different with different amps.

JazznFunk · #16 12-19-2012, 08:22 PM

I go for the type of sound Pino Palladino has with his P-Bass... smooth, punchy, sort of a 'pillow' under the band. Not 'growly' really, but he does turn his tone knob way down/off to my knowledge... not to mention the big 'ol Thomastik flats on there. I turn my tone up a bit for more articulation, and use lighter gauge flats, FWIW. I always just think of a P-Bass as 'thick'.

Buskman · #17 12-19-2012, 08:35 PM

Cool - keep it going, peoples!

I'm actually in-between sets at a gig, and the aforementioned growl is definitely present!

Fender Am Std P5 through a Markbass 121P combo, D'addario nickel rounds, both fingers & pick (depending on the tune). Nicey-nice...

kander · #18 12-19-2012, 08:45 PM

I've nailed my personal P growl: stainless steel rounds, low action, pluck with my fingers just behind the pup, boost the low-mids on a SVT.

The location of where I play makes the biggest difference for me. Playing over the pup gives a kind of muddy sound and the growl isn't as pronounced.

WannaJazz · #19 12-19-2012, 08:56 PM

It's in the fingers.

The way you attack the string to control the development and decay of the note.

Also in the fretting hand, a softer pressure there gives a softer, jazzier tone. (Think white knuckles for growl)

A round wound string is more 'expressive' as well.

I prefer nickel wounds. They're easier on my wrinkled, aging fingertips than stainless steel wounds.

scottbass · #20 12-19-2012, 08:57 PM

IMHO "the" classic P bass sound is a P bass wearing flats with the tone knob rolled back somewhere around mid-range, a little tube warmth but otherwise very little to no coloration from the amp and cab - or no amp and cab at all.

I play an Am Std P bass with TI Jazz flats. Tone knob on my bass is set somewhere between 5 and 7 on (an imaginary) scale of 1 to 10. Fingers only unless I'm playing surf music. Ampeg SVT-7Pro or SVP-PRO with mid freq set on the "2" notch and mid level very slightly boosted - about 1:00, bass & treble flat. Fearful 15/6 cab. Or if the house PA is good AND the sound tech knows what he/she is doing I don't even use my amp - I just play through an ART Tube preamp directly into the house PA and enjoy the sound in my IEMs.