Which part of the equation is more important for a good hard punch?
I was at practice tonight with my Ibanez SR 605 with Elixers and my Fender Rumble 150.
I was trying to get some decent punch for a song we are learning, but it fell short. It sounded good but smooth, I want it to throttle you in the chest more.
Which do you think is the weakest link? The bass with the Bart MK1's or the Rumble 150.
What do you suggest, besides buying a 5 string Stingray or a SVT Pro with an 8X10 cab, which I can not afford either
to answer your question I think the amp is probably the weak link. besides buying a more powerful or differently voiced amp, though, you could 1. adjust your EQ settings to get a more aggressive sound (possibly boost the low mids?); and 2. try a different brand of strings such as rotosound 66's, which have a much more aggressive sound than elixers.
The quality commonly known as "punch" is a product of dynamic compression. Large amounts of punch that you can feel in your chest are achieved through dedicated compression circuits within the amp although a significant amount of desirable "natural compression" takes place in an overdriven tube power amp.
Fortunately, for those who want real punch without using an amp capable of such compression, external processors are plentiful and relatively inexpensive.
Go get yourself a compressor pedal!
If you're looking to hear more punch, I agree with the compression. If you're looking to feel more punch, definitely the amp.
Wow. All good answers.
While a compressor can make the overall sound appear more punchy I do not agree in this case.
You're looking for the punch you can feel. I think the Fender Rumble series power sections arw incapable of that. You simply need an amp with more headroom.
If you can find a used Trace Elliot amp do try that. Those even make my Fender pro series TB600 look pale.
A used 8x10 cabinet can be surprisingly affordable. I bought an old (ahem, vintage) Ampeg fridge for 450 dollars. Look on Craigs List with searches for "8x10" etc. Because nobody wants to ship these cabinets, sellers are limited to the local market, keeping prices affordable.
This goes for any large cabinet (2x15, 1x18 etc). Nobody likes to ship cabinets.
My students are usually surprised that so much more of a bassist's sound comes from his hands than his rig - when he knows what he's doing.
Yes, a practice rig will be unsuitable for a loud gig without P/A support. But, that's not what I'm talking about.
A student who is still developing his or her technique (and ear) is likely to sound far less "punchy" than Rocco when using the same amp & cab.
I contend that most of punchiness is technique and knowledge of gear, acoustics, and the way bass loudspeakers interact with the listening environment. IMHO, Not-Enough-Rig-For-The-Gig is a separate issue.
Rumble and ibanez makes for an inherently scooped tone, not sure if your bass has the parametric mid knob or not, but that is where you will find your punch... Low mids and slightly less bass
IME, try using the bridge pup solo, playing over the bridge pup and cut the bass and boost the mids. Adjust to taste. Also, think about trying some muting (put foam under strings next to bridge) so that each note is more distinguishable from the next note. Each note dies out quickly. I also add some palm muting for more quick decay.
You might want to try TBr fdecks HPF/pre that will tighten up (improve clarity) the low end of your combo, provide a bit more volume and protect your speakers.
I have used my Rumble 150 combo live and it does the job. First, turn the horn off, then try dialing 12:00 in your tone, bass, etc. Then tweak your bass, try starting from there and make small adjustments as you go, you may be shocked how slight changes make huge differences
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