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russpurdy 01-16-2014 06:36 PM

Passive Stingray
 
What can you tell me about your passive Stingrays (if anyone has one wired that way)? Why did you do it, how does it sound, which pickup?

Any clips or sound samples?

stonewall 01-17-2014 09:32 AM

i considered having mine wired passive but was told no tone controls no good!Reason was to get rid of the ultra highs.

StuartV 01-17-2014 10:58 AM

They made a Limited Edition for Guitar Center that had a push-pull active/passive switch. I think there's even one for sale in the Classifieds. Maybe somebody with one of those will respond.

Lo-E 01-17-2014 11:04 AM

The SUB (I mean the original made-in-california series) was available in a passive version, as is the Ray34, I believe.

I read somewhere here on TB that the low impedance of a stock Stingray pickup makes it a pretty bad candidate for passive wiring. It seems to me that wiring it in series would fix that, but it would also change the sound considerably.

See if you can find a passive Ray34 at a local GC and take it for a test-drive.

Caca de Kick 01-17-2014 11:36 AM

When I bought my '78 Ray is was wired up with a passive switch. I hated it! It sounded so weak and low output in passive mode.

Mtnman 01-17-2014 11:50 AM

I have a passive EBMM SUB. The pickup had so much hiss that I ended up replacing it with a Bartolini. It is now among my top 3 basses.

mcnach 01-17-2014 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lo-E (Post 15392620)
I read somewhere here on TB that the low impedance of a stock Stingray pickup makes it a pretty bad candidate for passive wiring. It seems to me that wiring it in series would fix that, but it would also change the sound considerably.

The stock Stingray pickup works just fine without preamp. The preamp adds a variety of tones, but that's about it. Also, the preamp does not make it much louder either.

The parallel (stock) vs series is interesting. I love the series configuration. It still sounds unmistakeably Stingray, but it is a little louder with more low mids, punchier.

I have a bypass switch in my 2002 Stingray. I never really use the passive option, 'though, as I like the preamp options, but it sounds pretty good passive too.
I have also two active (2-band) EBMM SUBs. The 2003 one has the pickup wired in series, the 2005 one in parallel. The 2003 one is a beast, as the extra mids complement the 2-band beautifully.

If you must go passive, remove the preamp (and keep it, so you can restore it), and add passive tone control and a series/parallel switch, for extra awesomeness ;)

Lo-E 01-17-2014 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcnach (Post 15392914)
The stock Stingray pickup works just fine without preamp. The preamp adds a variety of tones, but that's about it. Also, the preamp does not make it much louder either.

Interesting.

DiabolusInMusic 01-17-2014 11:54 PM

The Stingray pickup is actually passive, the pre-amp is active. I have never bypassed my preamp but I have heavily debated it, I honestly imagined it would very quiet. I still might try it one day, I personally don't care for active and the hippie in me would love to save the batteries.

georgestrings 01-18-2014 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcnach (Post 15392914)
The stock Stingray pickup works just fine without preamp. The preamp adds a variety of tones, but that's about it. Also, the preamp does not make it much louder either.

The parallel (stock) vs series is interesting. I love the series configuration. It still sounds unmistakeably Stingray, but it is a little louder with more low mids, punchier.

I have a bypass switch in my 2002 Stingray. I never really use the passive option, 'though, as I like the preamp options, but it sounds pretty good passive too.
I have also two active (2-band) EBMM SUBs. The 2003 one has the pickup wired in series, the 2005 one in parallel. The 2003 one is a beast, as the extra mids complement the 2-band beautifully.

If you must go passive, remove the preamp (and keep it, so you can restore it), and add passive tone control and a series/parallel switch, for extra awesomeness ;)

Agreed - I have rewired all 3 of my SUBs for series, and it made a significant improvement, IMO...


- georgestrings

jasper383 01-18-2014 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caca de Kick (Post 15392793)
When I bought my '78 Ray is was wired up with a passive switch. I hated it! It sounded so weak and low output in passive mode.

+1

There's a reason why an active EQ is the standard for that pickup in that spot. It needs one.

mcnach 01-18-2014 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiabolusInMusic (Post 15395570)
The Stingray pickup is actually passive, the pre-amp is active. I have never bypassed my preamp but I have heavily debated it, I honestly imagined it would very quiet. I still might try it one day, I personally don't care for active and the hippie in me would love to save the batteries.

With regards to its volume, just look around at how many passive basses use an MM style pickup. They're hefty, those things.

mcnach 01-18-2014 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasper383 (Post 15395941)
+1

There's a reason why an active EQ is the standard for that pickup in that spot. It needs one.

:)

No, it doesn't.

:smug:;)

Place a Precision pickup, for instance, where the MM pickup is, and they're just about as loud as eachother. With the variety of P and MM pickups available, I'm sure some will be louder than others, for instance a SD SMB4A in series is quite hot, and compared to a vintage style P, may seem louder. But a DiMarzio Model P might sound louder perhaps than the SMB4A, and probably more than the Nordstrand MM4.2... I have used all pickups, but not in direct comparison, however... as all I wanted was to see what P pickup sounded like at different places, but that's my impression re: volume.

I have done that on an old OLP that I used to experiment with pickup positions, expanding the pickup rout under the pickguard.

The Stingray preamp is also not really making the bass louder... BUT I need to clarify this: if you boost bass and treble it can sound a LOT louder than without the preamp. So if you normally boost the signal a lot, yeah, that's going to be hotter than passive, but the passive sound is not quieter than any Jazz or Precision, typically.
If you have a preamp bypass switch, and balance the tone controls to get a similar tonality than you get with the bypass switch engaged (i.e: finding its "flat" configuration), then there is not a significant volume difference (at least with the one bass I have a bypass switch installed on). My normal sound on that bass results from boosting bass a tiny bit above flat, leaving treble untouch and bringing some mids up a bit... so my signal is hotter than in passive form, but not much and only because of my boosting...


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