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Old 12-10-2012, 10:39 AM
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Please help with my new P-bass (pics) tone - add foam mute?

I just got a new AMST P-bass and am looking for a certain sound.

These 2 clips here are fine examples of the type of bass I am looking to add to my tracks, in time. I am definitely new to playing the bass, but am a seasoned producer engineer, and want to strive for this sound.

I have myself an AMST P-Bass (Maple) with LaBella flats on it DId into a UA LA-610. Do you think that is correct for this sound? (based on research, I do haha but want some confirmation)

I am able to get close, but am wondering...should I be using a foam mute? Today I stuffed a small sock under my strings at the bridge and it definitely sounded cool, so I am contemplating getting a bridge cover with mutes on it or just using a piece of foam that is removable.

Any other detail would be appreciated. Thanks!!!
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:54 AM
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BTW, here she is!

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Old 12-10-2012, 11:05 AM
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That is a good choice in a recording bass.
I see why you inquire about foam mutes and you should explore that. However, the bass tracks you posted are not being done that way. These are being muted by hand sharply at the end of the note, but the actual note while it is sounding is not muted. The sharp clean spaces between the notes are what makes the funk.
A foam mute will affect the entire life of the note and the fundamental will not speak as clearly.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:30 AM
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I used this real stiff plasticy foam that I got out of a life jacket that gave me an incredible tone. Gave it a punchy thud that didnt kill the sustain so drastically and really gave it a nice tone. Almost like a semi hollowbody sound. Punchy and hollow is the way to describe it.

I replaced it with a piece of sponge but didnt care for the results. Tone darkened too much for my taste.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:34 AM
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Thanks.

So people think for sure those 2 examples are not using a mute?
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:07 PM
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I think that you can get that sound with a little EQ and the technique. However, it doesn't hurt to try using a mute and see what happens.

Use different foams at various thickness. I cut mine in a wedge shape so it has more mass on the heavy strings, and less on the light strings. (same height, different width as it goes across the strings)
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:09 PM
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I use a kitchen sponge (you know, the green/yellow on one side, dark green on the other) cut into about a 1" wide strip and placed right up against the bridge.

If you flip it over, the two different sides give a different type of muting.
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Old 12-10-2012, 12:23 PM
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does anyone make an "official" mute foam? I only see fender made for Jaguar guitars....
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That recording has too many overtones to be muted to me. Sounds like good old finger funk. Muting with the right hand. Spoze I could be wrong.
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does anyone make an "official" mute foam? I only see fender made for Jaguar guitars....
I think the Bob Babbitt P had a mute standard - and I know Rickenbackers also have a mute built into the bridge.
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I think the Bob Babbitt P had a mute standard - and I know Rickenbackers also have a mute built into the bridge.
That's funny, every pic I've seen of Bob playing has him with some random piece of foam jammed under there, always looks different and imperfect. If it works, it works I guess.
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Bob uses one of these nowadays:

http://www.bassmute.com/bassmute/bm_mainframe.html

Thinking of getting one myself!
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Bob uses one of these nowadays:

http://www.bassmute.com/bassmute/bm_mainframe.html

Thinking of getting one myself!
Some say those are awesome - I'm happy with regular foam but I generally palm mute anyway . . . Sadly Bob is no longer with us

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thanks all

It's funny, even on the Fender package of their "official" mutes the part description says weather stripping haha....so, off to Home Depot i go.

I guess it would just be important to make sure it's just the right thickness or it may push/pitch the strings up and change tuning? but maybe not since the strings are SUPER tight in that area huh?
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That recording has too many overtones to be muted to me. Sounds like good old finger funk. Muting with the right hand. Spoze I could be wrong.
+1 imho. If ever there was a case of sound being the result of plain old fingers/technique, and perhaps broken in strings, this is it.
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I just cut the end off one of those cheap foam paintbrushes. Less than a dollar, and works like a charm!
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I just cut the end off one of those cheap foam paintbrushes. Less than a dollar, and works like a charm!
That's the good stuff! I use pieces of a Dollar Store sponge or one that comes with washable Crayola markerboards. Similar material as the foam brushes. It's the perfect density. And price. You can cut varying thicknesses to get different muting capability.
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thanks all

It's funny, even on the Fender package of their "official" mutes the part description says weather stripping haha....so, off to Home Depot i go.

I guess it would just be important to make sure it's just the right thickness or it may push/pitch the strings up and change tuning? but maybe not since the strings are SUPER tight in that area huh?
That's what I use. Two pieces of 3/8'' thick weather stripping stuck sticky side to sticky side, making a 3/4''piece of foam that I can jam under the strings at the bridge. Or I also just stick a 3/8" piece on the underside of a bridge cover like Fender used to do. Either one works good. Mutes it just enough without totally deadening it.
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Old 12-11-2012, 06:47 PM
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Sounds more like left hand muting in the works than foam mutes. It's hard to tell since the notes aren't ringing long enough to hear the decay. Foam mutes with flats sound more like "doink doink", if that makes sense.
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It's funny, even on the Fender package of their "official" mutes the part description says weather stripping
Is, and always has been, rubber automotive weatherstripping.

Sounds like right-hand muting, which works much better with high-tension flats, IME.
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