The Rickenbacker Club Part Six

[kombi]

Originally Posted by A-Step-Towards

I found this place that sells ric's new for 1750$ , all you haev to do is add it to the cart to see the price-and I am sure musiciansfriend would price matc/beat. Thats just for the people that say rics are 1950$ and other places are just cutting a deal-well this is there standard price , 1750$. Also they currently haev a 10% off sale , marchmadness is the coupon code so there rics are 1575$.

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I'm getting weak...

[s4001]

Me playing out the 75th anniversary DCM the other week. I'll be playing it out this Friday, too. No case queen, here.

[armybass]

just acquired my second newer 4003 in as many weeks....this weeks flavor will be Mapleglo...my favorite!

[Rutherford_Fan]

Originally Posted by BassGen

Would that be Rutherford_Fan as in "Mike"? If so, I really like your style!

Hi, again. Yes I am referring to the great Mike Rutherford! He is my earliest and most constant influence throughout all of my twelve years of playing.

May I please have a "number" as well? Only reason I ask is because I am upgrading my account soon so that I may be able to sell/trade gear and I want to have a decent-looking account with 'clubs' in my signature and such. Much Thanks.

[Jeff Scott]

Originally Posted by Rutherford_Fan

Yes I am referring to the great Mike Rutherford!

I met Mike in 1973 during their Selling England By The Pound tour. The first time I saw or even ever heard of Genesis was when I went to an It's A Beautiful Day concert and Genesis was the warm up act! Needless to say, everyone at that show in April of 1972 in a small gymnasium became instant fans of the band. Imagine, if you will, a tall, dark, winged figure standing in a pool of black light and the faint sounds of a Mellotron firing up to begin "Watcher Of The Skies".

[BassGen]

Originally Posted by Jeff Scott

I met Mike in 1973 during their Selling England By The Pound tour. The first time I saw or even ever heard of Genesis was when I went to an It's A Beautiful Day concert and Genesis was the warm up act! Needless to say, everyone at that show in April of 1972 in a small gymnasium became instant fans of the band. Imagine, if you will, a tall, dark, winged figure standing in a pool of black light and the faint sounds of a Mellotron firing up to begin "Watcher Of The Skies".

I'd have been in heaven, though I'd have been only seven.

It was probably about 4-5 years after that when I had my own radio in my room. The radio station I listened to was on the AM band but very frequently as I was in bed going to sleep these wonderful sounds would come from that radio. I did not have an awareness of the band or song at the time but later came to realize that this song was in fact "Watcher of the skies." I never did see Genesis with Gabriel as front man in person but in the early 90's I had my first experience seeing "The Musical Box" which is a band out of Montreal that recreates Genesis shows. Note for note, cut for cut and even word for word of Peter's between song stories. With full costumes, set and scenery. It is quite an experience. They used to tour as a 7piece band because their intent was to play per the album version of a tune which was not possible with only 5 musicians. Now the just play with the 5 piece.

The first show I saw was their recreation of "Selling England By The Pound". It blew me away. I've seen that show several times now. They are the only band who Genesis officially licensed to do the Lamb and Genesis even provided copies of all the slides used as background in the show. Phil Collins sat in on drums for an encore once.

They use all authentic instruments too. Even the correct Ric's for Mike. If you ever get a chance, see them.

[Jeff Scott]

I saw Genesis every time they came to town, at least once a year, if not more, from that first show up through the Wind & Wuthering tour, in a huge shed in '77. Most of the shows I saw were un small theatres, the largest holding 3000 people, which is where I saw The Lamb... tour and both nights of the Trick Of The Tail show, with the wonderful Bill Bruford playing along with Phil What a great double drum "solo" they did together; I even have a recording of the second night that was broadcast on WMMS live during the show (my brother taped it, at home).

Re: The Musical Box, I saw them a few years ago doing the SEBTP and Foxtrot albums. For a person who has never seen the real Genesis, they are a good replica, however, to me, they were just a theatre show, it did not truly compare to Genesis at their peak, with Gabriel in the band. I had a very difficult time getting past the Rutherford "actor" as he was a lefty, and his Ricks were not really all that accurate, even getting past that they were lefty instruments. Nice try on the Dick Knight doubleneck copy but there were quite a few things wrong with it that I noted at the time, I have seen the real one pretty close up a few times and I have some photos that a photographer I know made during the SEBTP show at the Allen Theatre. I was in the third row!

The Musical Box is better than the other tribute band I saw, Over The Garden Wall, which did not do as complete a show regarding the staging/lighting/instruments/multimedia aspect. This was almost 20 years ago so I can't recall them musically, so no comment there.

Regardless, it is great that you are into Genesis so much. They were as unique as any band could have been, especially during an era of music and tours that included bands such as Yes and Kiss (not my cup of tea). During that time I saw Yes a few times, Pink Floyd on the Dark Side Of The Moon tour, Renaissance, Gentle Giant, Rick Wakeman, Gryphon, Brand X (a couple times, along with scores of other great bands). Ticket prices were real cheap back then!

[BassGen]

Genesis is still my favorite band with Gabriel era being my most favorite. I've seen every Genesis show since the "Three Sides Live" tour in Toronto when they did play Supper's Ready in it's entirety for the first time in many years. Supper's Ready is my personal "happy song.". At that show I had not heard it before as I'd only been exposed to Duke & ATTWT. But we knew it was a big deal that it was being played. They had not played it on that tour until Toronto.

Closest I got to the band was on the Mama tour. They played 2 nights in Toronto. I had tickets the first night. I got invited the second night by an ex GF. Her seats were first row behind the stage (hockey arena) so we saw the entire show looking over Tony's shoulder. It was pretty special for me.Phil was to my left Nd damn near eye level during "In the Cage."

I'm also a fan of Yes and other great prog rock. Music that has more.

[Duke21]

You guys are so lucky!! Genesis and Rutherford and later Yes and Squire were my reason to want to play the bass, and even more dreaming of a Rick. I love Rutherfords playing, through all the Genesis years. My absolute most favorite Genesis part is the instrumental bit leading into the guitar solo of Firth of the fifth on the years were Daryl play the guitar and mike the bass. The drums with Phil and Chester and Mike on the bass, wow. Mike always plays tasty bass parts, and many parts are very demanding. Mike is rock solid, I have the DVD from the last tour, When In Rome. Mike plays many old songs there, and he is in great shape. The only thing I miss is his double neck Rick!

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by Rutherford_Fan

Hi, again. Yes I am referring to the great Mike Rutherford! He is my earliest and most constant influence throughout all of my twelve years of playing.

May I please have a "number" as well? Only reason I ask is because I am upgrading my account soon so that I may be able to sell/trade gear and I want to have a decent-looking account with 'clubs' in my signature and such. Much Thanks.

In addition to a Rick you should get a Shergold and a Taurus, just like Mike in the 70s

[kiripunk]

Excuse my ignorance, but how many models do Rickenbacker has?

[Duke21]

Originally Posted by kiripunk

Excuse my ignorance, but how many models do Rickenbacker has?

Today? I think they mainly make the 4003 and 4004. Regarding the older Rickenbakers, 4001, 4000, 4008 and, well, other will have to fill in!

[PaulBoyer]

Originally Posted by kiripunk

Excuse my ignorance, but how many models do Rickenbacker has?

Over their history, RIC has put out close to 40 different "models" but most are bassed (!) on three different body shapes: the classic solid body one we're all familiar with; the discontinued hollow-body 4005; and the discontinued "budget" models 3000/3001, 2030/2050, 2020/2060.

"Vintage" models have been available for several decades. These are simply 4003 chassis with vintage looking appointments such as no binding, dot position markers and reissued vintage pickups. Currently, vintage models are on haitus but will likely reappear in the next few years. Vintage models have included the 4003SB, 4001V63, 4001C64, and 4001C64S.

There's a poster you can obtain showing the Rickenbacker bass timeline and family tree at websitePaul_ver3_counter

[Granddesign]

Just purchased this http://www.pickofthericks.com/ricken...counted-price/
Should be in by Monday. Will be hard to decide which one to play. This one or my midnight blue 4003 lol

[Rutherford_Fan]

Originally Posted by Duke21

In addition to a Rick you should get a Shergold and a Taurus, just like Mike in the 70s

A Shergold Modulator is one of my 'dream' basses. I actually think that I like Mike's tone from the Shergold era more than the 'Ric era, BUT that could be due to superior recording technology.

For a substitute, I have been dialing in a pretty darned close-sounding tone with a MusicMan Bongo Twin Humbucker (the same PuP arrangement as the Shergold). Both the Shergold AND Bongo are noted for their amazing ability to dial in custom tonal settings, so it will 'do' for the moment.

As for Genesis in general, I was a typical 12-year old kid listening to Top 40 hits until my Dad (born in 1955) intoduced me to Genesis! I became 'in love' immediately and the honeymoon has never faded once since. If I get 'sick' of one album, I just rotate to another one that I had gotten sick of years ago.

I honestly think that Mike Rutherford's bass-line COMPOSITION skills are the best in the bass-playing world. Yes...yes...another "Greatest Bassist" claim. BUT I am just claiming he is the best bass-line COMPOSER.

I mean, listen to tunes like "Time Table", "Visions of Angels", "Seven Stones", and "Mad Man Moon". NONE of them are particularly fast, showy, etc. But Mike was able to nearly flawlessly blend together the rather complex harmonic structure (laid down by Banks and Rutherford on guitar often) with the beautiful Collins-made rhythms. He is not just hammering on and off- root-octave-root-fifth-octave, etc.

No, he uses things like the fourth, sixth, and seventh degrees of the scales and the various chordal tones and seemlessly glides through them in a very memorable way.

And don't even get me started on his TECHNICAL prowess too. He may not be [insert TalkBass' general favorite bass tech master like Wooten] in terms of dexterity, but since he is equipped with the ability to navigate chord progressions like I described above, THAT translates into his 'fast' playing too.

Examples include: "Watcher of the Skies", "Return of the Giant Hogweed", "Robbery, Assualt, & Battery", and my all-time favorite "The Lady Lies".

Gosh. I know this is a thread about Rics, but Rutherford is great! AND so are Rickenbackers. I love setting my 4003 with the neck pickup volume at 100% and tone at 25% with the bridge pickup volume at 70% and tone at 75% and playing along to any early Genesis tune. It just feels SO RIGHT!


PS- The Musical Box is a great tribute/cover band IMO. I have seen them many times and it is about as accurate as you could get now-a-days. Sebastion Lamothe (I believe is his name) even looks like Rutherford and he plays his tunes perfectly. I mean, I am such a weird person that while watching them, in the back of my head I know which parts of which songs have ridiculously complicated and difficult bass-runs, so I focus in on him to see if he nails them. Every time but this one little mistake in one bass run he has NAILED them 100%!

[Rutherford_Fan]

Originally Posted by PaulBoyer

Over their history, RIC has put out close to 40 different "models" but most are bassed (!) on three different body shapes: the classic solid body one we're all familiar with; the discontinued hollow-body 4005; and the discontinued "budget" models 3000/3001, 2030/2050, 2020/2060.

"Vintage" models have been available for several decades. These are simply 4003 chassis with vintage looking appointments such as no binding, dot position markers and reissued vintage pickups. Currently, vintage models are on haitus but will likely reappear in the next few years. Vintage models have included the 4003SB, 4001V63, 4001C64, and 4001C64S.

There's a poster you can obtain showing the Rickenbacker bass timeline and family tree at websitePaul_ver3_counter

I think Rickenbacker actually has quite a large variety of models, although some aren't currently in production. Most people think they just make the 4003/4001 style, but it is not true.

I really, really want to get one of the Laredo/Cheyenne models one day in natural wood high polish. Gosh, those are gorgeous!

[Granddesign]

I really, really want to get one of the Laredo/Cheyenne models one day in natural wood high polish. Gosh, those are gorgeous![/quote]

I just ordered a 4004cii today in the translucent blue will post picks as soon as it comes in on monday

[Rutherford_Fan]

Originally Posted by Granddesign

I really, really want to get one of the Laredo/Cheyenne models one day in natural wood high polish. Gosh, those are gorgeous!

I just ordered a 4004cii today in the translucent blue will post picks as soon as it comes in on monday[/quote]

Nice. I look forward to seeing it!

[fretno]

[PaulBoyer]

Originally Posted by Rutherford_Fan

I really, really want to get one of the Laredo/Cheyenne models one day in natural wood high polish. Gosh, those are gorgeous!

How about a five-string conversion in flamey Mapleglo?