Rob Allen owners. How much do the different woods effect the sound?
Firstly, thanks in advance to all who respond. Most importantly, this is not another general " how much does wood effect the tone" thread !!!! There are tons of these and much debate already here on TB. My questions are SPECIFIC only to RA basses :)
I have three great fretless basses. I would like to add a RA as that would round out the tonal spectrum that I want.
I love the sound of this RA bass from Peter Kastner : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycN9x_5MqHQ Obviously was recorded high quality . He says: " I just went straight into Logic. Apogee Duet." Probably some compression there also ??
Now, obviously, he is a GREAT player and yes, it is "all in the hands" etc. I am not as good a player as he is but I can play in that realm to some degree so I certainly do not think that by getting "that bass" then I will sound like him.
Also, I have played a deep 5 [ actually owned one for a while ] a mouse and the MB-2. I definitely want the 4 string MB-2.
So, from Rob himself: Although there are many wood variations, the basic tone of all the basses offered is about the same within each model, and here is the reason why: the neck and the hollow design of the body, in combination with a wooden bridge and nylon tape wound strings, produce the lionís share of the instrumentís tone.
There are two RA's on ebay right now. One, mahogany body/maple-rosewood or ebony ? neck-fingerboard. The other appears to be ash body but has a mahogany neck with ebony or rosewood neck-fingerboard
So, how much DO the body and neck woods effect the sound?
From what I understand, Rob matches the different woods to get the tone that he wants to get from the instrument. Each body and top wood may sound a bit different. By tapping the wood, he can hear the differences. He matches them based on his experience.
I don't think I've ever heard a bad sounding Rob Allen instrument.
Peter Kastner and Redwood
First off, I agree that Peter Kastner is a great bass player. I tracked him down through Rob Allen and not am taking lessons from Peter. A great teacher.
I recently bought a used redwood-top MB2. It seems brighter and quicker than other woods. Very nice!
That having been said, I don't think you can go wrong with any Rob Allen. I have had pretty good luck asking Rob about used RA's that I'm considering buying, and you might consider that.
I will say that with used RA's I've had to send each one to Rob to get them playing like they should. Totally worth all the effort though.
Maybe the best thing is to hear Rob himself describe it as below:
ABOUT THE WOOD
I have had many questions over the past 12 years regarding what the different woods sound like. Although there are many wood variations, the basic tone of all the basses offered is about the same within each model, and here is the reason why: the neck and the hollow design of the body, in combination with a wooden bridge and nylon tape wound strings, produce the lion’s share of the instrument’s tone. After making and listening to many hundreds of basses, I have discovered which woods best compliment each other, and each combination is aimed and bringing the tone back to “center” so speak. For example: mahogany is a warmer sounding wood, maple is brighter, so these two are very complimentary as a mahogany body with maple top. By the same rule, swamp ash is brighter and clearer than mahogany, yet walnut is warmer and softer sounding than maple, so these two combine well also, yielding two different wood combinations that are very similar in tone, yet have a significantly different visual quality. Regarding the top wood, it is thin (just about 3/16” thick) so it doesn’t have too strong of an influence on the tone. In addition to this, all materials are hand selected for similar weight, appearance and grain structure, and for this reason you will find very little difference in sound between a maple, walnut or koa top. Do they sound different at all? Sure, every piece of wood sounds different from the next, as each bass does, and there can be as much variation between two pieces of the same species. But the differences are subtle, in the case of my particular designs. So I often suggest that people choose the wood combination that appeals to them visually.
Wow just listened with very good headphones. There's some serious sub-bass on this recording, which looks to be direct from the bass, which is amazing.
Yes, great playing indeed. Very woody - looks like a Koa top to me. Ash versus mohogany? I would have thought mohogany would be nearest to Kastner's tone.
The bass in the video is swamp ash body with koa top.
Well, never being known for patience, I grabbed this off of ebay:
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