SPECTOR® Club - Part 51

[smadder]

So if someone, endorsed artist or not, decides to sign on with someone other than Spector (or simply buys and chooses to use one) we as a discussion group, kindly and politely tell him to **** off and go somewhere else to talk about his new basses and how he feels they compare and contrast to the basses we love ourselves sometimes to the point of obsession (including me). Somehow, that seems to diminish and certainly discourage a whole line of intellectual discourse on comparing the pros and cons of other instruments as we feel they stack up to our personal favorites: Spectors. Those kind of discussions usually tend to be respectful of all parties who get involved with them, and often provide insights many of us may never have known or thought about. I think having discussions on this thread about what people think about Warwicks (or any other bass creator) compared to Spector (in the few places that's applicable) is a natural place as any for that kind of discourse. Especially now that Spector is on full throttle in making the Coda, doesn't it make sense that we discuses the pros and cons as the Coda compares to other "super-jazzers"?

We're all adults here. We should be able to have an intellectual, non-personally insulting talk about comparing and contrasting Spectors with other brands.

Unless someone wants to tell me why this is a bad idea, sure sign of the apocalypse, etc.

I'm not saying that the thread should not be mostly about Spectors, but a part of appreciating them is being able to compare and contrast their quality, tone and beauty to other basses of similar pricing bracket.

If I'm in the wrong I sure no one will have a problem telling me to **** off since that seems to be the wonderful holiday season mood the thread has been in over the past several days.

Or maybe I'm just still pissed that a bunch of adults spent so much time carving new orifices for each other with no one at all being adult enough to step forward and say "sorry, I went too far and while I meant what I said, I had no right to rip you in a public forum and should have taken our dispute to a PM for resolution."

And I'm not naming names because a bunch of us did it and calling out a bunch of folks isn't going to do anything to help anyone heal.

But we're better than this petty ****, aren't we? I thought we were. Remember when we all got together to help give Chris the surprise of his life? I miss that attitude, environment, vibe, whatever you want to call it. I miss it a lot.

[j.kernodle]

To steve's point about discussing other bass brands, I think my off topic post about Wal stuff may have prompted some of this sentiment. I get that, but out also wanted to hear the opinion of Spector players who've owned both (and offered in the first post to take it to PM). If I post this question outside of this thread on the main board, it drops off the first page like a lead baloon. I think the topic stayed respectful and those that were involved seemed to get value out of the discussion.

I get the whole slippery slope point (what happens if all of us start these discussions and it becomes a free for all?) but I don't see that happening. Its a Spector club, and the unifying point is we all love Spector stuff.

I don't think we should take a hard line on this IMO. I'm trying to imagine the Golf course I'm a member of giving me an infraction because I discuss another golf course on the premises.

peace and love. peace and love.

[bclark812008]

Originally Posted by smadder

So if someone, endorsed artist or not, decides to sign on with someone other than Spector (or simply buys and chooses to use one) we as a discussion group, kindly and politely tell him to f$&k off and go somewhere else to talk about his new basses and how he feels they compare and contrast to the basses we love ourselves sometimes to the point of obsession (including me). Somehow, that seems to diminish and certainly discourage a whole line of intellectual discourse on comparing the pros and cons of other instruments as we feel they stack up to out personal favorites Spectors. Those kind of discussions usually tend to be respectful of all parties who get involved with them, and often provide insights many of us may never have known or thought about. I think having discussions on this thread about what people think about Warwicks (or any other bass creator) compared to Spector (in the few places that's applicable) is a natural place as any for that kind of discourse. Especially now that Spector is on full throttle in making the Coda, doesn't it make sense that we discuses the pros and cons as the Coda compares to other "super-jazzers"?

We're all adults here. We should be able to have an intellectual, non-personally insulting talk about comparing and contrasting Spectors with other brands.

Unless someone wants to tell me why this is a bad idea, sure sign of the apocalypse, etc.

I'm not saying that the thread should not be mostly about Spectors, but a part of appreciating them is being able to compare and contrast their quality, tone and beauty to other basses of similar pricing bracket.

If I'm in the wrong I sure no one will have a problem telling me to f$&k off since that seems to be the wonderful holiday season mood the thread has been in over the past several days.

Or maybe I'm just still pissed that a bunch of adults spent so much time carving new orifices for each other with no one at all being adult enough to step forward and say "sorry, I went too far and while I meant what I said, I had no right to rip you in a public forum and should have taken our dispute to a PM for resolution."

And I'm not naming names because a bunch of us did it and calling out a bunch of folks isn't going to do anything to help anyone heal.

But we're better than this petty sh!t, aren't we? I thought we were. Remember when we all got together to help give Chris the surprise of his life? I miss that attitude, environment, vibe, whatever you want to call it. I miss it a lot.

AMEN!! I am put off by the tone of this club at the moment! I appreciate and respect everyone's insights, but some of you need to grow up!!

I don't see any other club thread where the mod has to constantly remind the members to be respectful to each other! I was drawn to this group by my love of Spector basses. I wanted to be a part of this club because of the great insight, helpful hints and overall family vibe that I felt. But over the past week or so I have been extremely disappointed with the actions and tones that some of the members here have developed.

At this point in my life, I am trying to remove as much negativity as possible...and quite frankly at this point that means I have to remove this club...

[Rick Blanc]

Originally Posted by tomydacat

Good AM all.. my .02 we could just say US9 instead of H word

But the TB search function needs more than 3 letters to perform the search.

[Rick Blanc]

Originally Posted by bclark812008

AMEN!! I am put off by the tone of this club at the moment! I appreciate and respect everyone's insights, but some of you need to grow up!!

I don't see any other club thread where the mod has constantly remind the members to be respectful to each other! I was drawn to this group by my love of Spector basses. I wanted to be a part of this club because of the great insight, helpful hints and overall family vibe that I felt. But over the past week or so I have been extremely disappointed with the actions and tones that some of the members here have developed.

At this point in my life, I am trying to remove as much negativity as possible...and quite frankly at this point that means I have to remove this club...

Yikes. I guess I missed it. Glad I did.

[catcauphonic]

Originally Posted by Rick Blanc

But the TB search function needs more than 3 letters to perform the search.

US9V sounds appropriate.

Which makes me ask what the tonal difference would be between 18v vs 9v? Wouldn't the 18v diminish some of that glorious crunch out of it??

[tomydacat]

US9V

[iceboxbass]

Originally Posted by JeffplaysBass

What say you????

Jeff! That's GORGEOUS!!! Awesome job!

[Clearwave]

I've been here over a year and I'm pretty sure the vast majority of members don't hold a grudge over someone owning and mentioning non Spector basses.

I'm a fan of Spector basses but more than that, I'm a fan of the electric bass. I still like fender and others.

Warwick makes models that look similar spectors, but they play and sound like Warwick, not Spector. The Coda plays like a spector, not fender...etc. Some are sore about a business decision Warwick made in the 80's, it was legal what they did. No one was jailed or sanctioned over it. Morally.... questionable, but legal. The laws were rapidly changing during that era and they did what they what they to skirt the laws and make the most money (which is what businesses do). The purpose of a business is to make money, and Warwick has ran their business better than Spector over the last 30 years. I see 10 times as many Warwicks than Spectors on TV, magazines, music stores etc. I think Spector makes better moral decisions and as a customer I value that. And maybe over the next 30 years, that will cause them to pass Warwick on a business level.

What Kramer did to Spector was 100 worse than what Warwick did.

As for an apology, I suggest we move on. Bringing it up again isn't good for the club. Misunderstandings happen, all one can do is do everything right and everything will be fine in the long run. If he feels like he should apologize, he will.

[iceboxbass]

Originally Posted by TK4261

Wow, Cool! was the wooden box heavy?

It does start with an S and ends with an R at least...lol

No...surprisingly light! Weight with bass was 23#! But the guy enclosed a return shipping label so he could have it back.
That's lighter than most that I've shipped out. Made from 1"x4" pine and floor underlay for top and bottom. The top has two feet made from blocks of wood and carpet pad that press against the bass to keep it from moving.

[smadder]

Clearwave,


I agree with you on most of it, and I'm not trying to bring the club to a halt to work this out. But every time something like this happens (since I've been on it) it gets glossed over and shoved under the carpet until the next time and the next time is even worse because of the build-up and non-resolution of the previous incident.

If that's just the way it rolls around here, fine. I won't speak up since it won't make a difference one way or the other. Why waste time if my efforts won't help?

I'm only bringing it up again because quite honestly, it really hurt my feelings and sometimes it takes me a while to process that so I don't respond in anger or with a bad temper, therefore causing more hurt and misunderstanding.

And I'm sorry Clear, but an apology is a part of what being an adult is about. You take responsibility for the harm you've caused to happen to another. To just gloss it over and say "let's just move on" communicates to everyone that we do need to have a mod up our butts all the time because we aren't big enough boys to take responsibility for our own words and how they affect other people in our community.

Again, just my opinion and I apologize that it took me several days to put it down in a way that would be articulate without causing further hurt. I did the best I could, but maybe it really isn't that important and I shouldn't take it so hard. But if you'll remember, stones were only being thrown at a few people. I was one of them, and I still don't know why.

But I'll leave it. Because I do agree with you that dragging it out for too long will cause more harm than it will repair. I appreciate you pointing that out to me.

So I'll just let it alone. If anyone wants to take it up with me, please just send me a PM or call if you already have my phone #.

Originally Posted by Clearwave

I've been here over a year and I'm pretty sure the vast majority of members don't hold a grudge over someone owning and mentioning non Spector basses.

I'm a fan of Spector basses but more than that, I'm a fan of the electric bass. I still like fender and others.

Warwick makes models that look similar spectors, but they play and sound like Warwick, not Spector. The Coda plays like a spector, not fender...etc. Some are sore about a business decision Warwick made in the 80's, it was legal what they did. No one was jailed or sanctioned over it. Morally.... questionable, but legal. The laws were rapidly changing during that era and they did what they what they to skirt the laws and make the most money (which is what businesses do). The purpose of a business is to make money, and Warwick has ran their business better than Spector over the last 30 years. I see 10 times as many Warwicks than Spectors on TV, magazines, music stores etc. I think Spector makes better moral decisions and as a customer I value that. And maybe over the next 30 years, that will cause them to pass Warwick on a business level.

What Kramer did to Spector was 100 worse than what Warwick did.

As for an apology, I suggest we move on. Bringing it up again isn't good for the club. Misunderstandings happen, all one can do is do everything right and everything will be fine in the long run. If he feels like he should apologize, he will.

[iceboxbass]

Originally Posted by JPSBassist

Wow. That's pretty cool.
I bet the handling charges for making a case like that isn't cheap.

The guy owns his own Hot Rod fabrication business and built this "coffin" himself. Outstanding guy to do business with! Just before packing the bass he wanted to play it one last time. He heard static in the control pots, so he bought new replacement pots, and then decided since he had the bass tore down that he decided to buff it out to an incredible shine! Basically he spent all the $ I paid for it. I had a crazy lowball bid on the bass...not expecting to get it...but if I did, it could be a project bass.

[iceboxbass]

Originally Posted by brotherbassj

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I say, A......go try to influence a positive change......if you need help we can talk about how to do this without your bandmates feeling pushed or controlled.....You probably want to play. You dont have to stay with them........just go try out.........whats wrong with breaking out your new rig in a band setting? You NEED to do that right? Let that rig breath brother!

Yes, and you never know...they might have been thinking the need for a new sound and your new rig might be the key to start the wheel turning. Go for it Sum!

[brotherbassj]

Here's a piece of wood for those that asked about afzelia.........

[iceboxbass]

Originally Posted by TK4261

Do any of you know if John "AJ" Yenser from Designs By Dickhead is still making Brass nuts? I found his info on an old Spector forum post from last year and didn't want to send him an email and bug him if he wasn't making them anymore.
I would like to get a Brass nut made for my Legend fretless 4 string that I just picked up off ebay. I should be getting the Legend delivered sometime next week. This will be my first fretless Bass and my first Spector in hand while waiting for my Euro LX.

Yes, AJ still makes brass nuts or any other material you'd like.

[iceboxbass]

Originally Posted by worshiprocker

ooo you want spectors? Go listen to my band's debut album! www.defytolerance.com and if you like it, you can buy a CD from me or online Jan 8th... every track recorded with Spectors!

:h yper::hyp er::bassi st::bassist :

[brotherbassj]

Originally Posted by smadder

Clearwave,


I agree with you on most of it, and I'm not trying to bring the club to a halt to work this out. But every time something like this happens (since I've been on it) it gets glossed over and shoved under the carpet until the next time and the next time is even worse because of the build-up and non-resolution of the previous incident.

If that's just the way it rolls around here, fine. I won't speak up since it won't make a difference one way or the other. Why waste time if my efforts won't help?

I'm only bringing it up again because quite honestly, it really hurt my feelings and sometimes it takes me a while to process that so I don't respond in anger or with a bad temper, therefore causing more hurt and misunderstanding.

And I'm sorry Clear, but an apology is a part of what being an adult is about. You take responsibility for the harm you've caused to happen to another. To just gloss it over and say "let's just move on" communicates to everyone that we do need to have a mod up our butts all the time because we aren't big enough boys to take responsibility for our own words and how they affect other people in our community.

Again, just my opinion and I apologize that it took me several days to put it down in a way that would be articulate without causing further hurt. I did the best I could, but maybe it really isn't that important and I shouldn't take it so hard. But if you'll remember, stones were only being thrown at a few people. I was one of them, and I still don't know why.

But I'll leave it. Because I do agree with you that dragging it out for too long will cause more harm than it will repair. I appreciate you pointing that out to me.

So I'll just let it alone. If anyone wants to take it up with me, please just send me a PM or call if you already have my phone #.

Steve

I sent you a PM with my feelings. I hope it helps. When all else fails "it is what it is" Hope it helps or at least gives you a laugh or some hope!

[iceboxbass]

Originally Posted by Baird6869

Ooohhhh, a sticker!

My CD should be here soon, too. First one sent to Canada, Donny?

Hopefully I will have time to listen to it... Kinda enthralled with Justin Bieber and Celine Dion Christmas CDs this time of year.

[TinIndian]

I don't feel it has to be taboo to speak of other brands of basses. It is first and foremost a thread/club about Spector basses and that is where the focus should remain, but to get upset over the mere mention of other brands is a little childish. I own 8 bass guitars and only 2 of them are Spectors. I love each and every one of them and they all bring something a little different to the table. I even own a, heaven forbid, Warwick. Not a Streamer , but Warwick makes many other models than a Streamer.

Any way, there should be a little room to "compare and contrast" other instruments, as long as the focus remains on Spectors.

[TK4261]

Originally Posted by iceboxbass

Yes, AJ still makes brass nuts or any other material you'd like.

Thank you! I will shoot him an email today then.