SPECTOR® Club - Part 51

[JPSBassist]

Originally Posted by awilkie84

This bass is available just over the water from me.
He's asking $600, and it's a neck-thru.
It has a paddle headstock, and a brass nut!
Any ideas?

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/bn...369244266.html

NS-2000/5

Nice guitar. But $600 is way steep in my opinion.

Think about it being along the lines of an NS-2A

[JeffplaysBass]

Originally Posted by chrisloe

I love this brotherhood/sisterhood we have here. Honestly, even days I don't get a chance to post, I don't feel complete until I have read the posts and caught up.

I will never be able to repay all the kindness you have all showed me and I don't know why, but you all seem to just come through when things are the darkest and make me feel so much better.

I think it is awesome talking about other basses, comparing them is a healthy thing. I love hearing from people like Mad and everyone else, you may not have a Spector now, but even if you have had one or just interest in one, I think we have always been open and enjoy hearing eveyone's input.

I think the thing about the certain bass player we were talking about is that he had been an Spector artist for many years, then left and got paid for another company and started bad mouthing Spectors about their quality. Funny they were more than good enough until that other company started paying you. So go have them build you an imitation Spector and have them pay you to do it. Doesn't matter to me, but don't turn around and stab great people like Stuart and PJ in the back for being good to you for years.

Also, Kramer did some messed up things probably, but I don't think any of them were malicious or meaning to bring the Spector company down, I think it was just poor management. Don't forget Kramer was good for Spector also, how many of us know of Spector because of how big Kramer was and how many of their artists played Spectors.

Someone also said "Warwick didn't do anything illegal" maybe not, (If I have this wrong in some way, let me know, but I think I am close) but Stuart has a signed document from the guy who owns Warwick that is a settlement basically saying Warwick stole the design and he would pay Spector and Ned Steinberger royalties from the basses. He never did, when everything went down with Kramer, the Kramer guys just kind of forgot about it, so the Warwick guy did also. Maybe not illegal, but certainly not cool, not someone I would do business with.

Not starting anything, these are just things I remember that have been talked about lately, just wanted to point out a couple of things in case people didn't know.

I have no problem talking about other basses ever, I think it is healthy and usually brings me back to what I love about Spectors. I try different strings all the time, but always come back to my Rotosounds. Nothing wrong with all the other strings, they just feel like "home" like my new NS-2 does.

That new NS-2 is so awesome, I can not pick it up without playing it for like an hour. Yesterday my mom and sister got here, I showed it to them, Chantale wanted to hear it so I plugged it into my SVT and started playing a little something for them just for a minute so the could here it. Next thing I know, it's an hour later and Chantale is coming to get me to tell me dinner's ready, they walked out of the room in like 2 minutes, I didn't even really notice...

Solution for the 9 volt question?
I say we call it "The really awesome preamp designed by Stuart Spector that runs at 9 volts and is made in the United States of America by Haz Laboratories in New Jersey for use in the world's best electric basses, Spectors."

You're Welcome.

As far as the other stuff...
Check out about :45 in...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kceqvqiyAEY

Love all of you guys, for real.

Big appt this afternoon, could be okay news or pretty bad news, kind of expecting bad...

Good Luck Chris!...also this man speaks with wisdom beyond his years...hehe

[awilkie84]

Originally Posted by JPSBassist

NS-2000/5

Nice guitar. But $600 is way steep in my opinion.

Think about it being along the lines of an NS-2A

A pity. I was almost willing to trade my Am Std P-5 for it.

[JeffplaysBass]

Originally Posted by superdick2112

Since joining this club, I've done my best to side-step any landmines, ignore any member-on-member arguments and/or disrespect, and not post when the occasional turd is hitting the fan.
That said, I believe Smadder is 100% correct - we should be able to civilly discuss any other brand of bass as compared to Spector. IMHO, it can be a bit stifling if we can't at least do that. After all, we all love & play Spectors because of what they do and don't offer as compared to every other brand we've ever played.
Back to out regularly scheduled program....

We should just have a battle royal....

[awilkie84]

Originally Posted by JeffplaysBass

We should just have a battle royal....

Steel Cage with Spectors, Warwicks and Wals! :P

[JPSBassist]

Originally Posted by iceboxbass

That's a mouthful and then some! How about we say EMO? Some more instrument trivia that I never knew! Thanks Patrick! You're at the TOP of instrument trivia and remind me NOT to play Trivia Pursuit with you! Lol I don't like the game anyways...I just don't digest and hold onto trivia info. Now play me in games like Scrabble, Chess, Backgammon, Monopoly, Risk and I'm a formidable foe to reckon with!

Dude. Risk. Totally LOVE that game.
Chess and Backgammon are both favs too.

[Baird6869]

Originally Posted by superdick2112

Since joining this club, I've done my best to side-step any landmines, ignore any member-on-member arguments and/or disrespect, and not post when the occasional turd is hitting the fan.
That said, I believe Smadder is 100% correct - we should be able to civilly discuss any other brand of bass as compared to Spector. IMHO, it can be a bit stifling if we can't at least do that. After all, we all love & play Spectors because of what they do and don't offer as compared to every other brand we've ever played.
Back to out regularly scheduled program....

+1... And it would likely be pretty funny.

Kinda like the old Ditka skits from SNL.

Who would win a fight.... A tornado or a Spector? A Spector!

[JeffplaysBass]

Originally Posted by awilkie84

Steel Cage with Spectors, Warwicks and Wals! :P

And don't forget the JayDee!!!!!

[Basstovsky]

Originally Posted by awilkie84

This bass is available just over the water from me.
He's asking $600, and it's a neck-thru.
It has a paddle headstock, and a brass nut!
Any ideas?

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/bn...369244266.html

It is as JPS said a very nice NS20005, one of the figured top models, the inlays that are on the bass in that picture are actually vinyl decals over the dot inlays.

It is an excellent bass (I have one in cherryburst) but I would say $500 tops if it was in mint condition.

[JPSBassist]

I've talked with the Moderators here on TB about this.

My first post was OK'd and approved and what I'm about to post has been cleared.

I think there seems to be some confusion regarding what constitutes an attack and what constitutes someone saying that they have been thrown into SEVERAL situations which are unfair, uncalled for and insulting and taking a public stand against that.

Originally Posted by smadder

If I'm in the wrong I sure no one will have a problem telling me to **** off since that seems to be the wonderful holiday season mood the thread has been in over the past several days.

I've thought the thread has been pretty sedate and calm of late. You've brought this back up and now you're trying to spin things.

I mean there's been the USA 9v vs. Haz stuff. But Clearwave and I have also been PM'ing and we're fine. So that stuff was more fun intellectualizing of one of the many strange realities of custom-made bass design and production.

Originally Posted by smadder

Or maybe I'm just still pissed that a bunch of adults spent so much time carving new orifices for each other with no one at all being adult enough to step forward and say "sorry, I went too far and while I meant what I said, I had no right to rip you in a public forum and should have taken our dispute to a PM for resolution."

I didn't go too far. Obviously I didn't go far enough if you're going to try and turn what you've done around into some sort of "I'm being picked on" thing.

You can't break rules and you shouldn't promise things you can't deliver to people you are selling to and then just try to pass it off if anything goes wrong... what part of this it too difficult to understand?

Here's why I did this publicly. I am a contractor for both Spector and Bass Central. I made a public announcement to make it perfectly clear that I am not affiliated with you, I am not going to fix any issues that you run into, and I cannot be associated with the wheeler-dealer buying and selling WHICH HAS run off people like Sam and others because the TONE of this club seems to be different for them because some of their "brothers" have taken advantage of them.

As long as I've know you, you've flipped basses constantly. Now, you've told me you're just trying to work towards getting the basses you really want.

And that's perfectly OK.

And like I said in the original post. You are more than free to do so.

But to make sure there is no confusion about what you are doing when you do so, meaning I don't care if the basses you get from Amazon are untouched from the factory, they are not new the second you resell them because you're not an authorized Spector dealer.

And I have NO PART in whatever you do. Don't ask me to help you "fix" things if something goes wrong. And don't imply that what you're doing is "all OK" because you've talked to me. I can't give anyone any sort of "official" validation or anything for what they do. I am a contractor. I do not have that authority.

Originally Posted by smadder

And I'm not naming names because a bunch of us did it and calling out a bunch of folks isn't going to do anything to help anyone heal.

Heal? This was pretty interesting to me.

Let's talk about this. So you were wronged? This reminds me of the child that regrets that they got caught, not that they regret doing things that perhaps they should have done differently or not at all.

I wasn't left a choice about making sure everyone understood that I am not involved in any way shape or form with what you've been doing. You had no forethought or care about how your actions could possibly cause problems for me...

Now every time you try and make this about me. I'm getting less and less interested in holding back. If you're going to make me look like some sort of nasty person for wanting to protect the integrity of this club; then I'm going to defend myself.

And that means sharing things I don't think you want to talk about publicly. This was done and over. I had let it go.

Too bad you couldn't.

Originally Posted by smadder

... but an apology is a part of what being an adult is about. You take responsibility for the harm you've caused to happen to another. To just gloss it over and say "let's just move on" communicates to everyone that we do need to have a mod up our butts all the time because we aren't big enough boys to take responsibility for our own words and how they affect other people in our community.

Perhaps there's some sort of misunderstanding.

I'm not sorry for what I said. I meant every word of it. I stand by it now. I stood by it then.

Talkbass and the Moderators ALSO stand by what I said. And I talked to Spector about what was going on.

And taking responsibility? Do you want to have a private conversation with me about some of the things you need to take responsibility for?

Keep trying to make me look like some sort of negative, bad, un-adult-like person for publicly stating that I didn't appreciate being put into an uncomfortable position I didn't deserve to be put into; and I will continue to state the facts and truth.

I'm not going to apologize for being honest. For saying things, that I'm sure you would have rather dealt with privately, but this isn't about your comfort. You put me in a VERY difficult place and I am not willing to risk the relationships I've worked really hard to cultivate and needed to state that publicly.

[worshiprocker]

I'm out for a while.... PM me if any of you need me or have questions I could answer...

[Baird6869]

Here's a question for fellow Spector Owners....

Just curious, what other basses do you gig/jam with along with your Spector and why? Note: "a second Spector" is a given for most of you, so lets keep to non Spector alternatives.

Lately, I am digging doing gigs with my Spector Forte 5 (usually sets 1 and 3) and My MTD 535 for set 2. Fairly different tonal ranges on these basses and I use the Spector for harder tunes and (maybe) surprisingly, for oldies and Eagles-type stuff. The dual H Spector can really nail a Precision if EQed right.

[peledog]

I haven't had the need for two basses (at a gig). But if I had to, I'd take my Fender Jazz for a 'passive' tone.

[NOLA Bass]

Originally Posted by Baird6869

Here's a question for fellow Spector Owners....

Just curious, what other basses do you gig/jam with along with your Spector and why? Note: "a second Spector" is a given for most of you, so lets keep to non Spector alternatives.

Lately, I am digging doing gigs with my Spector Forte 5 (usually sets 1 and 3) and My MTD 535 for set 2. Fairly different tonal ranges on these basses and I use the Spector for harder tunes and (maybe) surprisingly, for oldies and Eagles-type stuff. The dual H Spector can really nail a Precision if EQed right.

That depends on the band. In my metal tribute band (classic metal from Sabbath to Maiden to VH), I usually use my Euro 4LX and my Sadowsky Metro Will Lee 4. They are a nice pair b/c both cut through the guitars (think Jacksons through half stacks). The Sadowsky can give me a little better vintage tone for the Sabbath, Thin Lizzy, etc. However, I tend to just play one or the other for a set then switch.

In my new orleans/alt country/blues/rock band that plays covers and originals (the free download EP in my signature), I don't really use my Spector's. I am going for a more traditional tone, so it is usually my Sadowsky NYC V4PJ, Mike Lull T4 and Lakland Skyline Hollowbody (strung with flats).

All of the members of the metal tribute band, we have put together a new project and put the cover band on hiatus for a bit. We are doing all original prog metal. I was using my NS-4, but we ended up tuning down to C. That is when I bought my Euro 435LX, which really handles that tuning better. However, I'm going to need to set a 2nd bass up in "C" soon. It will likely be either my NS4 or the Euro 4LX. I have given a bit of thought to trying the Lull in C as it might sound really cool in that setting in a very classic 70's sort of way. I am also going to use my Hamer US CH-12 on one song.

It is funny, the original metal band is in "C", the metal tribute band is in "D" and the original/cover band that plays blues, nola, etc. is in standard tuning. That puts me at 6 basses alone just to have them tuned to the bands!

[Baird6869]

Originally Posted by peledog

I haven't had the need for two basses (at a gig). But if I had to, I'd take my Fender Jazz for a 'passive' tone.

Never bring a backup?

[Lorddaftplayer]

I'm in! Hey, JPSBassist - that blue NS2-J is the most beautiful blue bass I've ever seen! Just incredible, thanks for sharing, man!

[Pj,Rj,Hj]

Originally Posted by awilkie84

Steel Cage with Spectors, Warwicks and Wals! :P

Dune, the Wal has won before it even steps into the ring.

Naturally we want to see the NS vs Streamer

Oh what Wal would do to the Thumb

[TinIndian]

Originally Posted by Baird6869

Here's a question for fellow Spector Owners....

Just curious, what other basses do you gig/jam with along with your Spector and why? Note: "a second Spector" is a given for most of you, so lets keep to non Spector alternatives.

Lately, I am digging doing gigs with my Spector Forte 5 (usually sets 1 and 3) and My MTD 535 for set 2. Fairly different tonal ranges on these basses and I use the Spector for harder tunes and (maybe) surprisingly, for oldies and Eagles-type stuff. The dual H Spector can really nail a Precision if EQed right.

I rotate my 4's based on what bass I'm feeling at the time, but to every gig I bring a 4 and a 5. I only own 1 5 so it goes to every gig and that is my Lakland 55-02. Gives me a wide variety of sounds and I love the wide 19mm string spacing. The 4's I rotate around at the moment are my NS2A, a 96 Warwick Fortress Masterman and my old beloved Peavey Foundation S. Soon I'll be adding a Fenderesque P bass with a Jazz neck, the 2003 Spector Euro 4 I'm restoring (my bondo baby) and a 1985 Ibanez RB850 that needs alot of attention. I also recently picked up something called a Firstman bass. Looks like a late 60's early 70's vintage Japanese built, shortscale hollowbody. Really a cool body shape but a total pile. Only thing I know that it will end up with is a set of tape wounds if I can salvage it at all.

Then again, for the last 2 months, pretty much since the day I got it, the only 4 that has come to my gigs with me has been my awesome NS2A. I love that bass! Can't wait to get my Euro4 in the rotation!

[superdick2112]

Originally Posted by Baird6869

+1... And it would likely be pretty funny.

Kinda like the old Ditka skits from SNL.

Who would win a fight.... A tornado or a Spector? A Spector!

What if the tornado's name was Ditka?

Da Bulls... Da Bears...

Polish sausage....

[TinIndian]

Originally Posted by superdick2112

What if the tornado's name was Ditka?

Da Bulls... Da Bears...

Polish sausage....

You forgot the heartattack in that skit!