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Old 12-21-2012, 11:29 AM
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Sounds really, reallly good! I cant wait till my Euro arrives
Thanks for the kind words! I think that euro is gonna blow your mind when it gets there dude!
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Santa came early today : Finally, after hearing everyone rave about this pedal, I was able to get one of my own. I can't wait to try it out but forgot that i need to use an adapter so I am going to run out in a few and pick up one of those 1 Spot power adapters since they work well with this pedal.

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Old 12-21-2012, 12:22 PM
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Well, the buyer came by and checked out the bass, and he left with it. This was 16 days ago. I received a PM from him late last night, saying that he wants to return the bass because he is unhappy with it.
I wouldn't do it. 16 days considering he left with the bass when he came by your place to see it is WAY more time than reasonable.

He could have called you the next day or up to 3 days later since he was local and that might have been fine.

But over half a month? Nope. It's his.

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He is claiming that there is an unacceptable amount of fret wear, as well as that one of the bridge saddles is stripped. I noted specifically in my ad that there was fret wear, in addition to the fact that I thought the bridge had been removed / altered / swapped at some point. I didn't know that the saddle was stripped, and so I have offered to pitch in a little cash so that he can buy a replacement if he chooses.
Worn frets are pretty straight forward and when you are buying a vintage, 20+ year old bass guitar, wear and tear is expected. And worn frets are one of the MOST common issues I've seen with the NS-2A.

There's a thing called a guitar repair tech that can replace the frets and make that neck like new.

With my 24 year-old NS-2A (which is sitting on a stand between The Black Pearl and The Blue Dream) I decided to get the frets pulled. The fret wear on my bass was so bad it buzzed no matter what you did to adjust for it.

I turned it into an AMAZING Fretless Spector.

As for the bridge. I looked at the original post and that is the stock Spector bridge common on the Kramer/Spector Korean-Factory models (this was not the later Samick model you sold).

And I've got one of those bridges for sale right now. BTW.

What I don't understand is how he thinks one of the bridge saddles is stripped? This doesn't make any since. There are no intonation screws. They're held in place by the two side anchor screws which when tightened press all of the saddles together to hold them in place.

Unless he's talking about one of the saddle height screws. And in the countless NS-2A models I've seen, none have ever had this problem. But if this is the case, the hole can be tapped for a larger screw or if the screw is stripped, it can be replaced.

That's not really a valid complaint to me.

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However, I don't feel like it is my responsibility to accept a return. I can understand being underwhelmed or disappointed with a used purchase (I know that I have been there), but that is exactly WHY I buy used. If I don't like something, I can usually move it for break even or at a small cost, what I like to call a "rental fee".
I think you should do what you think is right, but this is what buying used gear is about. Sometimes you find a real gem. Sometimes a diamond in the rough. Sometimes you get a lump of coal.

This person has had the bass plenty of time to decide that they didn't want it.

And the issues they claim they have can be addressed and fixed. That's not your responsibility to pay them for or return their money for.

You stated there was fret wear. The bridge issue is just sort of a strange thing and I'd really like more information as to what a "stripped saddle" means.

If you wanted to repair the bass and then sell it. That's one thing. But the guy came to your place. Played it. Paid for it and walked out the door happy... or else why would he have purchased it?

Buyers remorse sets in quickly. Within hours. Not weeks later.

I'd recommend he join this group and learn and take his NS-2A and make it a project bass. When restored these are awesome basses.

And truth be known, I've got over $1200 in my NS-2A now and there's no way I could ever get my money back out of it. But I didn't buy it to flip it. I got it to restore and turn into an amazing sounded and playing bass I could enjoy for the rest of my life.

My bass was made the year I graduated high school, in 1988. So it's a cool thing to have in my collection and it has, over time, become one of my favorite basses I've ever owned.

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I think I have approached this reasonably thus far, but I was hoping to get some feedback from the fine ladies and gents of this group. Although I've been playing for close to 25 years, I've avoided moving gear around due to the possibility of a situation like this. I don't care about being right / wrong, I want to be fair 100%. I appreciate any insight or thoughts, thank you!
Fair is what your gut tells you. If you want to take that bass back and give him his money back... I think you're being way beyond fair and being a true minch (stand-up business man - my Yiddish slips out more this time of year).

If you say you're not going to refund his money, I also think this is being fair. For he's had a long time to figure out what was what on that bass. And worn frets and a saddle issue... these are things that can be fixed if he really wants to own and play a vintage Spector. The ONE model that I truly feel, ounce for ounce, is the best deal on a used NS-Body Neck-Thru Spector out there.

I would do one or the other. But to give him part of his money back and let him keep the bass would be out of the question. He went into this with open eyes in my opinion. So you can't be at fault if after playing it and inspecting it and taking it home that he comes back over half a month later and says, it's got problems and I want my money back.

Most major retailers and dealers have a 7 day return policy.

Many have a "No Return" return policy on used equipment.

All sales final, what you see is what you get.

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Here is a link to my FS ad for those interested:
FS / FT - Spector NS2A with Korean HazLab. Looking for GK MBFusion...
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:31 PM
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Earlier Patrick posted some great looking pics of the nut on his "Blue Dream" after he had polished it up nicely using nail a file & nail buffer sticks.
Here is the nut on my NS-4 after a quick polish job using a small cotton buffing wheel on a Dremel Moto Tool, along with a tiny drop of Zildjian cymbal cleaner. I masked around the nut with masking tape & spent a grand total of 2 minutes polishing. My photography skills pale in comparison to Patrick's, but the nut shined up nicely...
That looks really nice!

The only thing I'd say about my method, not to say that one is better than the other, but perhaps both methods could be used together...

I'd recommend everyone try the really fine nail-buffer sticks first to get rid of any imperfections in the surface of the nut.

In the photo above you can see some pitting, etc... which I've noticed is basically from where they were cut and filed when put on the bass.

The Blue Dream had pretty severe file "scratches" in the surface. So after I buffed everything out, the surface of the nut is as smooth as a baby's bottom.

I have brasso and a really nice Dremel with the buffer attachment. So next time I'm going to try your method. That actually sounds really good... now that I have the original file marks, etc... buffed out of the surface of the nut.

Thanks for sharing how you do this. I think I may add this to the SpectorCare video on cleaning & caring for your bass/guitar if that's cool with you.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:32 PM
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I wouldn't do it. 16 days considering he left with the bass when he came by your place to see it is WAY more time than reasonable.

He could have called you the next day or up to 3 days later since he was local and that might have been fine.

But over half a month? Nope. It's his.



Worn frets are pretty straight forward and when you are buying a vintage, 20+ year old bass guitar, wear and tear is expected. And worn frets are one of the MOST common issues I've seen with the NS-2A.

There's a thing called a guitar repair tech that can replace the frets and make that neck like new.

With my 24 year-old NS-2A (which is sitting on a stand between The Black Pearl and The Blue Dream) I decided to get the frets pulled. The fret wear on my bass was so bad it buzzed no matter what you did to adjust for it.

I turned it into an AMAZING Fretless Spector.

As for the bridge. I looked at the original post and that is the stock Spector bridge common on the Kramer/Spector Korean-Factory models (this was not the later Samick model you sold).

And I've got one of those bridges for sale right now. BTW.

What I don't understand is how he thinks one of the bridge saddles is stripped? This doesn't make any since. There are no intonation screws. They're held in place by the two side anchor screws which when tightened press all of the saddles together to hold them in place.

Unless he's talking about one of the saddle height screws. And in the countless NS-2A models I've seen, none have ever had this problem. But if this is the case, the hole can be tapped for a larger screw or if the screw is stripped, it can be replaced.

That's not really a valid complaint to me.



I think you should do what you think is right, but this is what buying used gear is about. Sometimes you find a real gem. Sometimes a diamond in the rough. Sometimes you get a lump of coal.

This person has had the bass plenty of time to decide that they didn't want it.

And the issues they claim they have can be addressed and fixed. That's not your responsibility to pay them for or return their money for.

You stated there was fret wear. The bridge issue is just sort of a strange thing and I'd really like more information as to what a "stripped saddle" means.

If you wanted to repair the bass and then sell it. That's one thing. But the guy came to your place. Played it. Paid for it and walked out the door happy... or else why would he have purchased it?

Buyers remorse sets in quickly. Within hours. Not weeks later.

I'd recommend he join this group and learn and take his NS-2A and make it a project bass. When restored these are awesome basses.

And truth be known, I've got over $1200 in my NS-2A now and there's no way I could ever get my money back out of it. But I didn't buy it to flip it. I got it to restore and turn into an amazing sounded and playing bass I could enjoy for the rest of my life.

My bass was made the year I graduated high school, in 1988. So it's a cool thing to have in my collection and it has, over time, become one of my favorite basses I've ever owned.



Fair is what your gut tells you. If you want to take that bass back and give him his money back... I think you're being way beyond fair and being a true minch (stand-up business man - my Yiddish slips out more this time of year).

If you say you're not going to refund his money, I also think this is being fair. For he's had a long time to figure out what was what on that bass. And worn frets and a saddle issue... these are things that can be fixed if he really wants to own and play a vintage Spector. The ONE model that I truly feel, ounce for ounce, is the best deal on a used NS-Body Neck-Thru Spector out there.

I would do one or the other. But to give him part of his money back and let him keep the bass would be out of the question. He went into this with open eyes in my opinion. So you can't be at fault if after playing it and inspecting it and taking it home that he comes back over half a month later and says, it's got problems and I want my money back.

Most major retailers and dealers have a 7 day return policy.

Many have a "No Return" return policy on used equipment.

All sales final, what you see is what you get.
While I don't think this is really the place/thread to get this resolved (It's a sale issue, not a Spector issue. The sale just happened to be a Spector), everything JPS said here is spot on.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:44 PM
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DelucaJohn WOW that looks nice for an early Christmas present .. you must not have been to naughty this year
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:00 PM
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I have to say talking about these little amps with Spectors, Lee was awesome and gave me an incredible deal on a GK MB 200 that I am planning on taking with me to my treatments, I bought a GK neo 112 to go with it and the NS-2 through that little rig just kills. Never given the GK stuff a try before this, and don't get me wrong, still love my other "practice amp, (my SVT and 8-10, ridiculous, I know but that's part of why I love it.) but for how light it is that little thing kills. It's nice having the SVT where I do most of my playing in the office and the GK by the TV when I just want to play on there. Lee Rocks!!
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Thank you so much for the feedback gents, I appreciate it. My gut is telling me that he is hard up for cash and is looking for a way to scramble some funds together. He has also recently (in the past 3 days) posted other equipment for sale in the classifieds here. I don't feel obligated to accept a return, but I'm always wanting to please and have everyone leave happy. The mods responded to me and agreed with you wholeheartedly. I'll leave it at that.

With that, here's a picture of the NS-2a that TSNS sent me!
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:16 PM
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Santa came early today : Finally, after hearing everyone rave about this pedal, I was able to get one of my own. I can't wait to try it out but forgot that i need to use an adapter so I am going to run out in a few and pick up one of those 1 Spot power adapters since they work well with this pedal.
Right on, John! I actually have one wrapped under the tree waiting for me on Christmas morning. I also forgot about the adaptor. What are you going to get? How much are they?
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:46 PM
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DelucaJohn WOW that looks nice for an early Christmas present .. you must not have been to naughty this year
Yeah, I must have done something right I guess

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Right on, John! I actually have one wrapped under the tree waiting for me on Christmas morning. I also forgot about the adaptor. What are you going to get? How much are they?
Man, you have more patience than me, LOL. I would have cracked that thing open already

I picked up the 1 Spot Combo Pack by Visual Sound. That is the one that Darkglass recommends and and I think most people have that one and are using it with great success. The combo pack is $40 but it gives you adapters to plug in up to like 8 pedals if you want but if you just want one tip to power the B3K, you can get just the plug for like $20. All the Guitar Center's have them in stock by me so I don't think you will have an issue finding one.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:47 PM
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CHRISLOE .. I SAY TAKE an 8 10 CAb And play away... WOOOOOO ROCKKKKK
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Yeah, I must have done something right I guess



Man, you have more patience than me, LOL. I would have cracked that thing open already

I picked up the 1 Spot Combo Pack by Visual Sound. That is the one that Darkglass recommends and and I think most people have that one and are using it with great success. The combo pack is $40 but it gives you adapters to plug in up to like 8 pedals if you want but if you just want one tip to power the B3K, you can get just the plug for like $20. All the Guitar Center's have them in stock by me so I don't think you will have an issue finding one.
Yep - this is the one I went with after initially ordering an Aguilar power supply which was very noisy with the pedal. The 1 Spot is great.
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CHRISLOE .. I think the SPECTOR CURE is something DOCTORS Do not know of YET
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Some Tone Samples.

I set my three USA NS-Body Spector Basses circuit controls on "neutral", where basically all the settings are in the center indent.
I placed the volume at full
The balance in the center between the two pickups.
The bass control on the center indent
The treble control on the center indent

I used the MXR M87 Bass Compressor (the same settings on all three basses)
And a Boss CEB-3 Bass Chorus Pedal (with very little effect added - Same settings on all three basses).

I played directly into my MXR Bass+DI and brought that into SoundForge via Midi port.

Lastly, I used SoundForge and Sony Vegas to mix my bass track into an instrumental *karaoke track for Duran Duran's "Save a Prayer"... one of my favorite bass lines from that band. And I really think John Taylor is greatly under-rated as one of the best pop bassists of the 1980's... so I find I like a bunch of his tracks.

Here they are:

Water Cured Redwood NS-4
https://soundcloud.com/patrick-stern/save-a-prayer-wcr-ns-4

NS-2 with Maple Fingerboard - The Black Pearl
https://soundcloud.com/patrick-stern/save-a-prayer-the-black-pearl

NS-2JJ - The Blue Dream
https://soundcloud.com/patrick-stern/save-a-prayer-spector-ns-2jj

What's interesting is to look at the shape of the wav patterns above. The only thing that changed between these three tracks was the bass being played. So there's visible differences in the tone.

What does your ears tell you?
Is there one that stands out to you as sounding better?
Curious to see what you all think.
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Well with out hearing them and just going by looks the NS2 and NS4 seem very similar but not .. and the Blue dream which it is a blue dream looks like it sticks out not only inlooks but tone
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Well with out hearing them and just going by looks the NS2 and NS4 seem very similar but not .. and the Blue dream which it is a blue dream looks like it sticks out not only inlooks but tone
It has bite and bark without trying.

And I find the two J pups, being narrow aperture, have less dynamic range between the highs and the lows... which considering that sometimes the NS-4 which has headroom all day and almost too much room in the EQ between lows and highs... it's a great sounding bass.
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My ears tell me I like them in this order: Black Pearl, Blue Dream, Water-Cured Redwood. All sound good to me in different ways. I like the bite I can hear from the Black Pearl but there's still some nice "meat" to it.
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well that is one difference i guess between the big soap bars and the P/J .. my 5 euro would shake the floor.... seriously
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That looks really nice!

The only thing I'd say about my method, not to say that one is better than the other, but perhaps both methods could be used together...

I'd recommend everyone try the really fine nail-buffer sticks first to get rid of any imperfections in the surface of the nut.

In the photo above you can see some pitting, etc... which I've noticed is basically from where they were cut and filed when put on the bass.

The Blue Dream had pretty severe file "scratches" in the surface. So after I buffed everything out, the surface of the nut is as smooth as a baby's bottom.

I have brasso and a really nice Dremel with the buffer attachment. So next time I'm going to try your method. That actually sounds really good... now that I have the original file marks, etc... buffed out of the surface of the nut.

Thanks for sharing how you do this. I think I may add this to the SpectorCare video on cleaning & caring for your bass/guitar if that's cool with you.
Thank You Sir, I would be honored!
And I agree that users should use the JPS method to first remove any imperfections, followed annually by the Super D method to maintain a brilliant lusture.
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Thank you so much for the feedback gents, I appreciate it. My gut is telling me that he is hard up for cash and is looking for a way to scramble some funds together. He has also recently (in the past 3 days) posted other equipment for sale in the classifieds here. I don't feel obligated to accept a return, but I'm always wanting to please and have everyone leave happy. The mods responded to me and agreed with you wholeheartedly. I'll leave it at that.

With that, here's a picture of the NS-2a that TSNS sent me!
You got one really nice NS-2a there! It was even a little brighter and edgier sounding than my Kramer NS-2

Glad you're enjoying it!
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