stingray 2EQ preamp info?

[Devo-lution]

Hi

After reading a Marcus Miller interview I decided to only use one bass and to really get accustomed to that one bass. My axe of choice for this quest is my trusted stingray 2EQ. In order to use it to optimal potential, I've been looking for information concerning the preamp.

I've been using the search function, but still didn't find all the information that I was looking for.

From what I could find... the treble control is a boost and cut, but I haven't been able to find the exact center point where it is boosted nor cut.

The bass control would be boost only, am I right?

What exactly are the frequency points where the bass and treble controls are situated? The stingray preamp copies, like those made by John East are at 40 hz and 10 khz... Are these the same as those of real stingray 2EQ-preamps?

The reason I'm doing this research, is that for one of my bands I need a bit more P-bassish Oomph. You know, this low mids punch around 200-250hz and I'm trying to find out how to accentuate these frequencies with my ray when going DI.

thx a lot
Greetz
Devo

[KJung]

IMO and IME, the best way to get a good, punchy tone out of a MM (with either two or three band... I've owned both and don't hear a huge difference) is to REALLY go easy on the bass boost. Not sure of the exact shelving start point, but it is way down there. Dig in relatively close to the bridge with just a touch of bass boost and you should be fine. Play closer to the neck with too much bass boost, and you will not be fine!

Edit: Also, If I'm remembering correctly, the bass and treble on the classic 2 band are both boost only, which is why there aren't any detents. A little bit goes a LONG way with those.

[Devo-lution]

Originally Posted by KJung

IMO and IME, the best way to get a good, punchy tone out of a MM (with either two or three band... I've owned both and don't hear a huge difference) is to REALLY go easy on the bass boost. Not sure of the exact shelving start point, but it is way down there. Dig in relatively close to the bridge with just a touch of bass boost and you should be fine. Play closer to the neck with too much bass boost, and you will not be fine!

Edit: Also, If I'm remembering correctly, the bass and treble on the classic 2 band are both boost only, which is why there aren't any detents. A little bit goes a LONG way with those.

Hi Ken

Yeah, I kinda figured that out . To me it feels best at the following settings:

bass 1/10
treble 2/10
+ brightish flatwounds (as far as flats go bright)

Where I play depends. If I need it to be more defined, I go towards the bridge. If I want it to sound it deeper, I go closer to the neck. Exact position varies on the sound I'm after and the mix I'm playing in.

I'm just trying to find out the shelving points in order to have it coöperate with my LMII at it's best. if the treble knobs are both on 10k, I can't see much use in boosting or cutting both etc... same for the bas controls etc...

funny thing is... Musicman copy preamps are 40 and 1k, same as my LMII... strange thing is, the controls sound entirely different. Changes on the stingray are way more audible than those on the LMII.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Devo-lution

Hi Ken

Yeah, I kinda figured that out . To me it feels best at the following settings:

bass 1/10
treble 2/10
+ brightish flatwounds (as far as flats go bright)

Where I play depends. If I need it to be more defined, I go towards the bridge. If I want it to sound it deeper, I go closer to the neck. Exact position varies on the sound I'm after and the mix I'm playing in.

I'm just trying to find out the shelving points in order to have it coöperate with my LMII at it's best. if the treble knobs are both on 10k, I can't see much use in boosting or cutting both etc... same for the bas controls etc...

funny thing is... Musicman copy preamps are 40 and 1k, same as my LMII... strange thing is, the controls sound entirely different. Changes on the stingray are way more audible than those on the LMII.

+1 There is much more to the sound and impact of EQ than just the shelving start or center freq points.

[topcat2069]

I run both Treble & Bass about 1/3 to 1/2 backed off (depending on your Bass and how you hear). I compared that with my P-Bass and it's close with similar mid content.....but a MM isn't a P Bass.

Good description if you haven't seen it:
http://www.bestbassgear.com/mmsr-v-b-t-preamp.htm


"BASS (+14dB / -7dB @ 40Hz)
The bass control has a little more boost than the original. The boost curve continues to rise towards the lower frequencies, without flattening out at any frequency within the normal bass guitar range. Conversely the cut characteristic is shelving, having an essentially flat response from 30 - 100Hz, when fully cut. "

Which I read as a rising (away from the lower mid bass) when boosted. A 30 to 100 Hz cut when all the way off. It took some experimenting but I dialed in a sound for my Bass that I like and fit's in with the Band I'm working with. I then use my amp EQ (GK rig) to fit the room sound (bass boost if it's a dead room or whatever..... upper mids or lower mids cut/ boost to suit) and volume to fit the mix.

YMMV

[Devo-lution]

Originally Posted by topcat2069

I run both Treble & Bass about 1/3 to 1/2 backed off (depending on your Bass and how you hear). I compared that with my P-Bass and it's close with similar mid content.....but a MM isn't a P Bass.

Good description if you haven't seen it:
http://www.bestbassgear.com/mmsr-v-b-t-preamp.htm


"BASS (+14dB / -7dB @ 40Hz)
The bass control has a little more boost than the original. The boost curve continues to rise towards the lower frequencies, without flattening out at any frequency within the normal bass guitar range. Conversely the cut characteristic is shelving, having an essentially flat response from 30 - 100Hz, when fully cut. "

Which I read as a rising (away from the lower mid bass) when boosted. A 30 to 100 Hz cut when all the way off. It took some experimenting but I dialed in a sound for my Bass that I like and fit's in with the Band I'm working with. I then use my amp EQ (GK rig) to fit the room sound (bass boost if it's a dead room or whatever..... upper mids or lower mids cut/ boost to suit) and volume to fit the mix.

YMMV

+14/-7 DB @ 40

That would mean the common conception "the bass knob is a boost only" would be wrong?

I love stingrays, but it's not our everyday EQ

[JTE]

And, at least the early pre-EB ones varied tremendously. Component values would change frequently as Leo tweaked things. I've had two pre EB StingRays with the potted circuit boards, and the bass control frequency was wildly different on them.

John