Tricked Out Squier Club Part 2

[kurosawa]

Originally Posted by iJazz

Lookin' good, great even, but I gotta say that the tone must be a bit empty with no strings.

iJazz -

Nah, man, he's got fingers, don't he? And it's ALL in the fingers, Bruh!

[mrbell321]

It depends on why you're getting hum in the first place. Could be ground loop or A/C interference.
Does it sound like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVZ2P0KsLic

[seang15]

Originally Posted by sgtpepper

So basically I will get hum no matter what I do?

Everything I have personally done has never really eliminated hum. Not completely. But lots of companies are making double coil jazz pups nowadays!

[sgtpepper]

Originally Posted by mrbell321

It depends on why you're getting hum in the first place. Could be ground loop or A/C interference.
Does it sound like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVZ2P0KsLic

Naah,... this is too much. Mine is a very "thin" one, if you know what I mean. This one is too "fat".

Originally Posted by seang15

Everything I have personally done has never really eliminated hum. Not completely. But lots of companies are making double coil jazz pups nowadays!

I mean the hum does't bother me, I just thought I could eliminate it with a simple modification like shielding. I just wanted to hear some opinions.

Thank you all for your attention.

[SurferJoe46]

The VM-Series - both my Jazz and Jaguar are already factory shielded, so adding more isn't the answer.

The black coating inside the VM-Jazz trench is the shielding:::



Here on the VM-Jaguar you can see the eyelet on the end of the ground wire. It has the Phillips screw in it:::



I don't really get any hum or noise unless I am within 2-3 feet of my computer tower.

[mrbell321]

Does it matter which direction you aim the bass?
I have a bass at my office with a ton of fluorescent lighting and other equipment and w/ the single coil, it hummed ALOT unless it pointed it straight to the floor, which is not a comfortable way to play. And this was on battery power, so it was not ground loop. Just lots of RF.

[SurferJoe46]

IF you had it plugged into the outlet on the wall, then it would be grounded to the same source as the lighting and whatever other electrical devices were on the same line. That would likely keep any line-source noise out of the unit.

So running on battery power isn't really a good test except in situations where you are generating your own noise.

[mrbell321]

Sorry, should have been more specific. It was the same situation on battery power AND wall power.

[kurosawa]

http://www.ilitchelectronics.com/lar...lingsystem.htm

It works, and it is the ONLY thing that works. Pickups are antennas. The way Lindy Fralin explains, the only way to shield them would be to put shielding right over them, between them and the strings, and of course this won't work. So what this guy does is he winds a huge coil, one with very little resistance, opposite to your pickups, which must both be wound in the same direction, unlike the standard scheme. And it truly cancels out the hum without taking anything from the SC sound. You have to send your pickguard in because unlike most Fenders, there are many different J pickguard shapes. And he makes a shallow rout in the back and nestles the coil in it. It can also be laid around the periphery of a large control cavity which of course Fenders don't have. Ideally, it wanders around the outside of the area the pickups occupy, which won't work cosmetically for the Jazz. The Jazz is one huge pain in the butt. So the true solution for retaining single coil sound is to retain the single coils, right? If I was a J player, this would be the Holy Grail. I think it costs like $260, which is nothing because he could charge whatever he wants as the patent holder. And every J bass is a custom job. It might be something that could be installed in a rout under the top of a hippie sammitch, yeah, that would be really trick. Anyway, there it is.

[Disfncnl1]

Does my CV 50's count as a tricked out Squier???

[rust_preacher]

Thanks GordOh. #216, yay! And my TOS isn't even done yet - should have been last week Tuesday, the latest is this morning's "I'll text you today when it's done".

[mrbell321]

So, that ilitch coil thing... Basically, it's the 2nd coil of a humbucker without the magnetic pickup. Can you explain how they get it to match the noise while being mismatched in impedance?

[SurferJoe46]

I can't see how that Ilitch coil can be patented or in any way legally protected.

We had counteracting electrical coils installed in the floor and ceiling in the laminar surgical suites in a hospital I worked in, in LA. These have been used for many years now, of which I am aware. Common, really.

I know because I had to replace the Variacs for them a few times.

[Gord_oh]

Originally Posted by Disfncnl1

Does my CV 50's count as a tricked out Squier???

what makes it tricked out? a pickguard, thumbrest, bridge?
what's all done to it?

[iJazz]

Reading about the coil thingy a question occurs to me. I'm thinking about a method for blindly securing a control plate, that is to say no screws. What happens if I use a neo magnet in the control rout? Will this wreak major havoc to the signal? What if I wrap the magnet in shielding foil with just the top of the mag exposed to a ferrous washer epoxied to a brass control plate?

iJazz - Just thinkin'.

[Gord_oh]

shielding the magnet is just making a bigger magnet.
you'd be magnetizing all the metal it would be touching, not sure how that would affect a signal.
it sounds like it would be a bad idea.
maybe someone with a little more wiring know how can answer it better.

[SurferJoe46]

I have a telescoping retrieval magnetic tool from when I was working as a mechanic, and it has a feature that you might be able to include in your screwless PG design.

To keep the magnet from getting stuck to or being attracted to things on the sides of it when you go fishing inside an engine compartment with a lot of other ferrous things around it, you pull a ring down alongside the magnetic tip and all that will be attracted is things that are directly in front of it.

Do you see the value in that?


Let me see if I can Google one up for you. BRB.

[SurferJoe46]

OK - this is the tool:::

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item_...ges/PHT5RD.jpg

Note: The pix won't post as an IMG so you'll have to click on it - Snap-On is like that! Gack!. Somebody might want to show it to someone else. (Az di bobe volt gehat beytsim volt zi geven mayn zeyde!. )

Description::: Features:

Pocket Telescopic Pick Up Tool with Powercap®
Tool lifts 2-1/2 lbs
Telescopes from 5-1/2" to 25-1/4"
Powercap® shields sides of magnet for focused lifting
Red Handle


Here's the full link though::: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item....re&dir=catalog

[giorob815]

My VM Jazz V body is in the classifieds as of this evening, so I'm afraid I'm no longer a part of the club. If anyone is looking for a 5 string body, however, please check it out- only a month old. Thanks.

[fuzzy beard]