What bass was the bassist playing in the halftime show?

[Charley Umbria]

I think it's sad that the world has come to accept this type of performance as a "live" show. The tickets for any event like this should contain a disclaimer warning patrons that the "artist" and/or musicians will not actually be making music during the show.

Any musician who's played live enough times, from the smallest club to the largest stadium, knows that conditions will almost never be perfect. The mark of a professional is the willingness and ability to perform with a certain level of competence, despite obstacles. Did Aretha hit a clam during the last inauguration? Yup, but she's also 70 years old and singing outdoors in the cold. Deal with it. It in no way diminishes the event or her stature as a performer. If a live singer or band can't reliably sound anywhere close to the way that they sound on record, maybe they shouldn't be putting out records or selling concert tickets.

To paraphrase Ben Franklin, "Those who sacrifice art for perfection deserve neither." I can understand that that's the way things are...but I don't have to like it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to put on my tinfoil hat and head back up into the hills...

[2meterbassman]

Originally Posted by Charley Umbria

I think it's sad that the world has come to accept this type of performance as a "live" show. The tickets for any event like this should contain a disclaimer warning patrons that the "artist" and/or musicians will not actually be making music during the show.

Any musician who's played live enough times, from the smallest club to the largest stadium, knows that conditions will almost never be perfect. The mark of a professional is the willingness and ability to perform with a certain level of competence, despite obstacles. Did Aretha hit a clam during the last inauguration? Yup, but she's also 70 years old and singing outdoors in the cold. Deal with it. It in no way diminishes the event or her stature as a performer. If a live singer or band can't reliably sound anywhere close to the way that they sound on record, maybe they shouldn't be putting out records or selling concert tickets.

To paraphrase Ben Franklin, "Those who sacrifice art for perfection deserve neither." I can understand that that's the way things are...but I don't have to like it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to put on my tinfoil hat and head back up into the hills...

Yes, Sir, good post.

Greetz

[chadds]

Originally Posted by G.Bisson

^ this is how I felt too

Now the general public knows for a fact that bass guitars do not actually produce any sound and are purely on stage for apperance.

There are TBers who believe that over on the "sound unplugged" thread..

[Melonthief]

Originally Posted by chadds

There are TBers who believe that over on the "sound unplugged" thread..

It really is genre specific. If you want 20 dancing idiots onstage with a bimbo in a glittery outfit then you can't reasonably expect musical integrity.

[BFunk]

Agreed. The heart of the issue is that everyone now expects a "live" performance to be just like a music video. We have set expectations that only a few performers, producers, and engineers can successfully achieve some of the time. Then we spit on them for either faking it to make it, or for having to put up with mistakes that ruin our image of the mtv world. There was a time when you went to a local club and watched really bad rock bands bash through mostly mediocre songs. But that was ok, because the spirit of true live performance was there, warts and all. And it was glorious.

Originally Posted by Charley Umbria

I think it's sad that the world has come to accept this type of performance as a "live" show. The tickets for any event like this should contain a disclaimer warning patrons that the "artist" and/or musicians will not actually be making music during the show.

Any musician who's played live enough times, from the smallest club to the largest stadium, knows that conditions will almost never be perfect. The mark of a professional is the willingness and ability to perform with a certain level of competence, despite obstacles. Did Aretha hit a clam during the last inauguration? Yup, but she's also 70 years old and singing outdoors in the cold. Deal with it. It in no way diminishes the event or her stature as a performer. If a live singer or band can't reliably sound anywhere close to the way that they sound on record, maybe they shouldn't be putting out records or selling concert tickets.

To paraphrase Ben Franklin, "Those who sacrifice art for perfection deserve neither." I can understand that that's the way things are...but I don't have to like it.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to put on my tinfoil hat and head back up into the hills...

[Melonthief]

Originally Posted by Melonthief

It really is genre specific. If you want 20 dancing idiots onstage with a bimbo in a glittery outfit then you can't reasonably expect musical integrity.

And conversely, you wouldn't hire Eric Clapton and then tell him- " hey Eric we're going to have 20 idiots dancing behind you and can you show a little skin"

[preside]

Originally Posted by BFunk

Agreed. The heart of the issue is that everyone now expects a "live" performance to be just like a music video. We have set expectations that only a few performers, producers, and engineers can successfully achieve some of the time. Then we spit on them for either faking it to make it, or for having to put up with mistakes that ruin our image of the mtv world. There was a time when you went to a local club and watched really bad rock bands bash through mostly mediocre songs. But that was ok, because the spirit of true live performance was there, warts and all. And it was glorious.

PLUS A MILLION , Thank GOD I play in a Grateful Dead cover band, the LAST thing anyone expects is perfection.

[aasti3000]

Originally Posted by 2meterbassman

Yes, Sir, good post.

Greetz

Wow....preach! I don't think anything else needs to be said.

[fjadams]

With all the talk about lip syncing at the inauguration can you imagine if it had been live and an error occurred. We'd have had another "Roseanne" moment and a crisis of epic proportions.

While I personally prefer things to be done live, warts and all, if I was producing that show EVERYTHING would have been prerecorded with absolute perfection. While it would annoy the hell out of musicians, the other hundred million people would never know the difference if it wasn't pointed out and made a big deal of.

[dStar]

Remember the last time the Ravens were in the Superbowl? Aerosmith and nSync played. Which do you supposed played live?

[dmusic148]

Originally Posted by dStar

Remember the last time the Ravens were in the Superbowl? Aerosmith and nSync played. Which do you supposed played live?

Neither? Dunno.

[SactoBass]

Originally Posted by GregC

Heck yes, MANY times. I can't begin to count all the times a band appeared on TV back then and solos were taken by people obviously not on stage, and the music faded out at the end as the producers cranked up the canned applause.

Too many of my fellow Boomers look at that era with rose-colored glasses.

W--w--what???

Ya mean little Danny Bonaduce wasn't really playing those bass notes on the PF tv show???

Say it ain't so!

[Stick_Player]

Originally Posted by SactoBass

W--w--what???

Ya mean little Danny Bonaduce wasn't really playing those bass notes on the PF tv show???

Say it ain't so!

Danny Bonaduce bass solo.