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Old 09-11-2010, 06:22 PM
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Hi everyone, I'm graduating from the ages of fender p-basses and 30 watt practice amps in my basement and starting to play some actual gigs. As such I figure its about time I got some good equipment for a nice sound.

Intro to my playing:

I play jazz and funk styles, mostly blues and slap with latin, swing, and other styles mixed in, so because of the emphasis on blues and the general variety of styles, I need a bass that has the big, warm bottom of a fender p but the tonal range of other basses [fender jazz in particular for slap/funk] Also, I'm very particular about my control. I have to know all my knobs and what they do, so I'm interested in a simple, passive setup that gives me a full range of what my bass can do without becoming some 14-knob behemoth.

Okay, so now for the fun bit, Here's links to everything I plan on getting and a short explanation on my reasoning behind it:

Duff McKagan Signature Bass:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-D...79-i1393082.gc

I figure my needs as a bassist can ultimately be simplified into 2 basses, a fender P for my blues and swing and a fender J for my funk and other styles. So, this bass having a p-j pickup set is really cool. Also, as mentioned before, I'm a big stickler about my tonal control. This bass is a passive, with a general tone and volume for each pickup, along with a switch to select the p, the j or both. This gives me exactly what I want as far as my knobs go, I have total control over how my bass pick up my sound, but it's in a very easily maneuvering package.

Now, that bass is near perfect, it has the layout, the p-body and the j-neck, and the perfect knob setup, but a wise man once told me to find someone who's sound I like and then work from there. And as good as he may be, Duff just isn't the perfect sound. A man named Anthony Vitti however, is. Now, looking around on Anthony's website yields a page where he says, "If I only had one bass, I would have EMG pickups in it." Hence the addition of the next 2 items:

EMG passive P and J pickups [not a set, but the j can be sold as just one bridge-position j pickup to make a set]
http://www.guitarcenter.com/EMG-HZ-P...25-i1169975.gc
http://www.guitarcenter.com/EMG-PHZ-...80-i1169976.gc

Now, all that's left on the bass itself is the strings, to stick with the sound-of-someone-you-like theme, I went ahead and found Anthony's page on his strings, yielding the following, "The only strings I use are Blue Steel - Light Gauge."

Okay, I'm getting the guy's pickups, may as well hit up his strings, so, we add these to the list:

Dean Markley Blue Steel cryogenic strings - light:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Dean-Mar...57-i1122507.gc


So, now I have my Anthony-esque sound [more detail on that is a second] My perfect bass shape [the p body and j neck] My perfect pickups [EMG p-j passive] And my perfect knob setup, all that's left is what I plug it into. Technically this isn't the amp subforum, but just to have everything in one topic and to give a full understanding of my plans I'll list my amp stuff here.

--sidebar note on Anthony-esque sound--

Anthony Vitti doesn't quite use the setup I'm getting, he uses fender jazz basses with active pickups, but he also doesn't get quite the sound I want, he's great for the slap, but I also want some warmer, bigger tonal options for playing blues and such. Hence the p-j layout and the passive electronics, I feel like this is the best I can do for being able to have a sound like Anthony while still having a all-in-one bass for the many different styles I play as opposed to buying a whole lot of different basses like Anthony does.

--Sidebar over, resuming with a transition into my amp plan--

Orange Amplifiers Bass Head:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Orange-A...49-i1527057.gc

Orange Amplifiers 4x10 Bass cabinet:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Orange-A...74-i1568677.gc

Okay, Let me go ahead and say it now, I'm a huge Orange fanboy. If I had to pick a second ideal player, It would be the bassist from Weezer because he just has the warmest, richest sound I've ever heard. So, Weezer uses Orange Amps, I figure it's a pretty good idea to go ahead and get some as well. Now, I have very little experience playing through tube amps, and while I'm fully aware that they can give an amazing warmth and big, vintage tone, I'm a little concerned that this amp setup won't be able to put out a more metallic, crunchy sound for my slap and funk playing. Do I need to be worried about losing the tonal range I've managed to get with my bass or am I just getting paranoid?


I'm all too certain there's some crucial detail about my setup and my playing I left out, so I'm more than happy to answer any questions you may have. I'm looking for a general consensus on my setup, e.g. What will work and why, where my assumptions are wrong, and where there could be debate, along with any further speculation or recommendations on how I might improve my layout or avoid some headaches.
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Old 09-11-2010, 06:56 PM
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--Sidebar over, resuming with a transition into my amp plan--

Orange Amplifiers Bass Head:


Now, I have very little experience playing through tube amps, and while I'm fully aware that they can give an amazing warmth and big, vintage tone, I'm a little concerned that this amp setup won't be able to put out a more metallic, crunchy sound for my slap and funk playing. Do I need to be worried about losing the tonal range I've managed to get with my bass or am I just getting paranoid?
well, for starters, that head isn't a tube amp. no 500 watt tube amp exists that weighs only 11lbs.
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The TT just has a 12AX7 in the preamp. The poweramp is a class D solidstate design
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Old 09-11-2010, 07:17 PM
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well, for starters, that head isn't a tube amp. no 500 watt tube amp exists that weighs only 11lbs.
"500W hybrid bass amp head with a Class D solid-state power section and the AD200B twin-tube 12AX7 preamp."

My other option is this:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Orange-A...73-i1568693.gc

And it nearly doubles my overall cost. Is it a really big difference to have a hybrid?
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Old 09-11-2010, 07:32 PM
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"500W hybrid bass amp head with a Class D solid-state power section and the AD200B twin-tube 12AX7 preamp."
two tubes in the preamp does not a tube amp make.

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My other option is this:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Orange-A...73-i1568693.gc

And it nearly doubles my overall cost. Is it a really big difference to have a hybrid?
now you're talkin'. and yes it makes a huge difference, but IMO, not that the hybrid is a bad amp at all. just different animals.
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Old 09-11-2010, 07:35 PM
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now you're talkin'. and yes it makes a huge difference, but IMO, not that the hybrid is a bad amp at all. just different animals.
Hmm, well, as stated in my OP I was kinda afraid of the tube amp losing the variety that the bass could give out.

What could I expect out of the hybrid vs. a solid-state or a tube amp?
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Old 09-11-2010, 07:39 PM
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I would try to find out if the Jazz pup you want has enough output to function on its own in that bass or you may end up with a jazz pup that only functions as flavor for the P-bass pup. I wouldnt buy new pups until you have played the bass for a while. You may like the pups that are already in it. Or you may not.
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Old 09-11-2010, 07:40 PM
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PJ is a good "swiss army bass" for covering various tones. Strings? Meh - whatever you like. You'll change them anyway. I always preferred DR Lo-Riders, but that is me. As for EMG pickups - I hate 'em. But ymmv. I think that playing something because a favorite player does ends up being a mistake. You aren't them. There are tons of other factors so don't assume that the pups will cure things. Instead just play the stock pups until you really know the instrument, and have clear tone goals for specific bands.

As for amps, whatever floats your boat. Remember though that often what sounds "good" in the store will disappear in a band situation. Mids are your friend...
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Old 09-11-2010, 07:45 PM
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OP, you surely have a mighty budget for all this awesome.
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Old 09-11-2010, 07:56 PM
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IMO, it's always nice to have a plan, or at least an idea of what you want, but nothing replaces actually trying out alot different basses thru alot of different amps, especially on a gig with a full band, if possible.

when buying a bass, it's always nice to try it thru an amp that you're very familiar with in order to evaluate its tone, and vis-versa, when evaluating an amp.
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Old 09-11-2010, 08:02 PM
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IMO, it's always nice to have a plan, or at least an idea of what you want, but nothing replaces actually trying out alot different basses thru alot of different amps, especially on a gig with a full band, if possible.
Well put. It's nice to have a plan, but don't be disappointed if it doesn't work out as you anticipate initially. My advice - buy used equipment and don't be surprised if you end up making some gear moves once you've further educated yourself about how it works out.

Incidentally - don't sell the Fender. The wise bass player never "outgrows" a P...they just learn when to use it and what strings (Labella flats) to put on it. The P is a valuable tool.
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Old 09-11-2010, 08:14 PM
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Old 09-11-2010, 08:19 PM
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The p/j setup will not give you the exact tone of either of the p or j by itself. As far as amps go the Mesa Titan v12 is killer! Very flexible with two channels. Just eq them to what you like and at the tap of the footswitch, voilą! Whatever you have setup. Great slap /pop tone on channel a and a nice warm blues tone on channel b.
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Old 09-11-2010, 08:29 PM
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I have a Fender Jazz Bass Special (bought new in 85) that is the basis for the Duff bass. I later changed the pickups to Seymour Duncan SPB-1 (neck) and STK-J2 (bridge) because the stock pickups were somewhat noisy and the bridge pickup had a lot of 60 cycle hum. I kept the Fender TBX tone and put in new 500k volume pots.

It has a good variety of finger and slap tones. Even if Duff played whatever bass you have, there will be different than how you sound, so try it before you swap pickups out.
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Old 09-11-2010, 08:34 PM
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The TT just has a 12AX7 in the preamp.
I wonder if it's anything like the Behringer Ultragain Tube Mic - Line Pre Amp Model T1953 Vintage series Stereo Tube Preamp - featuring one backlite inoperable tube. Red flag!!! One tube for stereo?

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Old 09-11-2010, 09:49 PM
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"500W hybrid bass amp head with a Class D solid-state power section and the AD200B twin-tube 12AX7 preamp."

My other option is this:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Orange-A...73-i1568693.gc

And it nearly doubles my overall cost. Is it a really big difference to have a hybrid?
I tried the Orange amps and think they sound very European and are overstressed to make any decent sound at all.

If you like that Olde UK-type sound, then go for it, but I don't care for what sounds choked and garbled when you crank it up and find it's over-reaching and just pushing too hard to match the knob settings.
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Old 09-11-2010, 10:02 PM
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Solid state bass amps were embraced in the late 70's because 100% tube heads broke up and couldn't take the peaks. Larry Grahm's (the "inventor" of thump and pluck) slapping doesn't even sound like slapping alot of times on older recordings because the tube amp he's playing through is so distorted (sure sounds awesome though!).

I would recommend a hybrid, such as the type of one you are considering except I have little experience with Orange. Might I recommend a clean, hybrid or solid state amp such as SWR, Markbass or Aguilar with....here it comes....a SANSAMP BDDI in front as a pre?

You would have all the warmth you'd ever need with headroom, yet not have to worry about breakup (unless that's your thing) for the slapping. Cabs are another story entirely...
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I have a Duff Signature and it's a fantastic bit of kit, It's simple with a variety of sounds if you know what I mean? The neck IMO is a little thick and with it being a painted neck I find it gets abit sticky when I get sweaty hands, but apart from that it's a pleasure to play. Sit and play one for a while IMO there is better out there for the money but I'm a Massive Duff fan so I had to have it. (Waynes world moment i'm afraid) Oh yes it shall be mine. Oh and three weeks after I bought it he came to our local music shop and I got it signed. Worth every penny. Good look
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One tube for stereo?
Not at all impossible, since most preamp tubes found in bass amps are dual-section. It would only give you one tube stage per channel, but that may be sufficient in a hybrid amp that's just trying to get a little "tube sound" into the mix.

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