What happened to the 62-63 Shell Pink JB Thread?

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My Karma ran over my neighbors Dogma......

[77PBass]

Ok, I'll chime back in.

I wish you well on your journey with this bass. From what I can see, the bass looks legit. I never questioned its authenticity or provenance. I merely stated it needs to be confirmed by a professional appraiser. You are having it appraised and that document is money in the bank.

As far as "a large part of humanity believes", that goes for Karma, not you and your story. I mentioned Karma only as a way of explaining why this story is such a lighting rod for people.

The attacking and name calling undermines the story.

Again I wish you well.

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by 1SHOT1HIT

77 I'm not sure where the whole karma thing came from man?

If you weren't passing judgement that comment in itself was one funny way of NOT passing judgement.
Only to come back later and say you meant it towards everyone in the whole world and then not even own your words by saying it's how a large part of humanity feels, Last I checked it was you who said it.
What you fail to realize is that just like you I have gotten a kind of run around story and I myself have had to kinda pick through the details.

Anyway arguing is futile, Either you believe it or you don't

I'm not sure if Gruhn's appraisal will help you stop thinking I'm trolling you but if so feel free Monday to say something.

No hard feelings, I actually do understand where your coming from believe it or not.
I'd be reluctant to believe some of this, and I was and that is why I have now gotten three different stories.
I am confident that I have gotten to the bottom of it now, and that is why I decided to start talking again today.

Nothing more nothing less.

As I said no hard feelings on my part for anything, and honestly you are the one that seems to need convincing I don't mind trying to make you a believer. But if Gruhn's appraisal can't do it I think it's best we just agree to disagree and go separate ways here.

I'm trying to be straight forward with you man in every way possible.

I'm interested in Gruhn's appraisal. I'm of two minds about him. I think he fuels the vintage/collectable market, but he also is probably the guy on the planet who's handled the most vintage Fenders. At the same time, I know at least a few people who say they've 'fooled' him.

[Spinal Tapper]

I'm 99.9% certain this bass is a real 1962.

About the finish though - One MAJOR clue if the pink is the original finish could be this (while it's still fun to hypothesize before we get the appraisal):

I noticed a tortoise shell pickguard peeking out of the corner of one of the photos in the previous thread. That tort guard did indeed seem to be an original early 60's guard - it matches the one on my 1962 P bass exactly in terms of tone, color, and ply. The early 60's tort is really difficult to fake or recreate to come out looking like that.

My guess would be, if that tort guard is the original one to the bass, it was probably sunburst originally. I don't think the Shell Pink paintjob included a tort guard on the original order...I believe it was white or mint...then again, maybe the original owner bought two pickguards when the bass was purchased.

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by Spinal Tapper

I'm 99.9% certain this bass is a real 1962.

About the finish though - One MAJOR clue if the pink is the original finish could be this (while it's still fun to hypothesize before we get the appraisal):

I noticed a tortoise shell pickguard peeking out of the corner of one of the photos in the previous thread. That tort guard did indeed seem to be an original early 60's guard - it matches the one on my 1962 P bass exactly in terms of tone, color, and ply. The early 60's tort is really difficult to fake or recreate to come out looking like that.

My guess would be, if that tort guard is the original one to the bass, it was probably sunburst originally. I don't think the Shell Pink paintjob included a tort guard on the original order...I believe it was white or mint...then again, maybe the original owner bought two pickguards when the bass was purchased.

Correct. Custom colors would come with white (or in this case one of the 'mint' celluloid) guards if we follow conventional wisdom as to what they 'generally' did.

[birdman14]

Originally Posted by Spinal Tapper

I'm 99.9% certain this bass is a real 1962.

About the finish though - One MAJOR clue if the pink is the original finish could be this (while it's still fun to hypothesize before we get the appraisal):

I noticed a tortoise shell pickguard peeking out of the corner of one of the photos in the previous thread. That tort guard did indeed seem to be an original early 60's guard - it matches the one on my 1962 P bass exactly in terms of tone, color, and ply. The early 60's tort is really difficult to fake or recreate to come out looking like that.

My guess would be, if that tort guard is the original one to the bass, it was probably sunburst originally. I don't think the Shell Pink paintjob included a tort guard on the original order...I believe it was white or mint...then again, maybe the original owner bought two pickguards when the bass was purchased.

So far, I've yet to see another original shell pink Fender. The closest I've come to the same color was a Burgundy Mist Metallic Mary Kane Jazzmaster for sale on the 'bay right now. that seems that it is the original color, and has the original tort guard.

[AHDBassist]

I await the appraisal with bated breath and wish 1shot the best. And pics please!

[leegreenman]

This isn't meant as a personal attack on 1shot, but I kinda wish someone who was going to play and appreciate this bass stumbled across it.

[One Drop]

In fact the earliest custom colours on J basses came with tort pickguards, and only switched over to white (which greened to mint with age) ones a year or so into the Jazz Bass' production. Others can pinpoint the year, not sure if it was '61 or '62. It would make sense that someone that bought an early custom colour would order the white one as a replacement when it came out, they tend to look much better and anyone who would custom order a Shell Pink J cared about what his bass looked like.

[One Drop]

Originally Posted by 77PBass

Karma's a bitch.

You don't seem to understand the concept of Karma, no matter how much you throw it around. You are obviously using the term to insinuate that the finder of the bass has behaved dishonestly and is reaping the punishment due. A perversion of the concept, and a cowardly way to make a point you cannot prove nor defend without more information.

[BurningSkies]

I would have to say that to find a real/original version of one of the rarest basses with rare finish around is a serious karmic payoff...someone did something nice for someone in the past.

[GreenWithEnvy]

Originally Posted by leegreenman

This isn't meant as a personal attack on 1shot, but I kinda wish someone who was going to play and appreciate this bass stumbled across it.

I have been thinking about this a lot in the last day. If I stumbled on the bass, would I play it? I thought about it and thought about it and imagined what gigs I'd take it to and how safe it would be. And then I was thinking that even at the safest gig, the sound man could be routing around trying to fix something and knock the bass over and snap off the neck. OK, so you could keep it in the case in between sets. The lighting truss falls down and smashes your case. Stuff happens. I came to the conclusion that, even though I'd want to gig the bass, if I actually had it, I couldn't. I doubt that many would, even if they think they would. I don't think this is a gigging bass.

[77PBass]

Originally Posted by One Drop

You don't seem to understand the concept of Karma, no matter how much you throw it around. You are obviously using the term to insinuate that the finder of the bass has behaved dishonestly and is reaping the punishment due. A perversion of the concept, and a cowardly way to make a point you cannot prove nor defend without more information.

karma |ˈkärmə|
noun
(in Hinduism and Buddhism) the sum of a person's actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding their fate in future existences.
• informal destiny or fate, following as effect from cause.

One's fate or destiny can be viewed as positive or negative. You could view 1shots fate finding the bass as a positive.

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by GreenWithEnvy

I have been thinking about this a lot in the last day. If I stumbled on the bass, would I play it? I thought about it and thought about it and imagined what gigs I'd take it to and how safe it would be. And then I was thinking that even at the safest gig, the sound man could be routing around trying to fix something and knock the bass over and snap off the neck. OK, so you could keep it in the case in between sets. The lighting truss falls down and smashes your case. Stuff happens. I came to the conclusion that, even though I'd want to gig the bass, if I actually had it, I couldn't. I doubt that many would, even if they think they would. I don't think this is a gigging bass.

As much as I love basses, and playing them... I can tell you that if I found this one, I'd sell it off and the proceeds would be part of a down payment on a house. If it is real, then it needs to be in the hands of someone who can preserve and conserve it in the appropriate fashion. If you want a SP jazz to play, take a couple K and have the custom shop make a 62 jazz player for you.

[Spinal Tapper]

Originally Posted by BurningSkies

As much as I love basses, and playing them... I can tell you that if I found this one, I'd sell it off and the proceeds would be part of a down payment on a house. If it is real, then it needs to be in the hands of someone who can preserve and conserve it in the appropriate fashion. If you want a SP jazz to play, take a couple K and have the custom shop make a 62 jazz player for you.

Right. Or even flip it for a nice 64-66 Jazz and keep the rest of the cash for whatever.

I'll tell ya, I own a 62 P bass, and I hardly ever gig it. I live in a big city where shady characters go to drunken bar gigs and hang out. I don't fear someone would steal my bass knowing what it is, they'd steal it thinking it was a Mexican Fender and flip it for crack or something for like $100.

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by SolarMan

1SHOT1HIT - I would quit this thread and start your own new thread on Monday and ask the trolls to stay away, I think the Mods will support you on this

The mods will quit this thread for everyone. This one is closed.

1SHOT1HIT- start a new thread after the appraisal if you wish. Anything before that and there's likely to be more trouble stirred up.

To those that like to stir up trouble- if or when 1SHOT1HIT starts another thread, move on to different threads or receive infractions. This is the only warning.