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11-30-2011, 11:08 AM
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playing in this pic? Thanks. 
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11-30-2011, 11:19 AM
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11-30-2011, 12:14 PM
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11-30-2011, 12:41 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Scotland | | | I always think it is one of the reasons why Led Zeppelin was a crisper sharper band, JPJ used a Fender Jazz whilst Samwell-Smith used the Rivoli, which given the amps of the day made it an undefined farty mess on the live recordings I've heard.
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11-30-2011, 03:29 PM
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Designer and manufacturer of the Original Badbird Bridge | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Rochester NY USA | | JPJ used a Gibson EB1 on much of the early stuff 
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11-30-2011, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by godofthunder59  JPJ used a Gibson EB1 on much of the early stuff | I heard that too. |
11-30-2011, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Meddle I always think it is one of the reasons why Led Zeppelin was a crisper sharper band, JPJ used a Fender Jazz whilst Samwell-Smith used the Rivoli, which given the amps of the day made it an undefined farty mess on the live recordings I've heard. | big improvements in amps and recording in that time frame from yardbirds to zep first 4 albums.
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11-30-2011, 04:15 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: Loughborough, UK | | In 1964, Paul Samwell-Smith told me '...I've never needed an amp more powerful then 15W...'
I wonder if he has changed his opinion in the meantime? 
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11-30-2011, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by godofthunder59 JPJ used a Gibson EB1 on much of the early stuff | Yep. remember the picture of him with one. Inside of an album cover I think |
11-30-2011, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RED J Yep. remember the picture of him with one. Inside of an album cover I think | That'd be LZ III 
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11-30-2011, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GeoffByrne In 1964, Paul Samwell-Smith told me '...I've never needed an amp more powerful then 15W...'
I wonder if he has changed his opinion in the meantime?
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11-30-2011, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GeoffByrne In 1964, Paul Samwell-Smith told me '...I've never needed an amp more powerful then 15W...'
I wonder if he has changed his opinion in the meantime?
G. | They're have been so many changes. For instance, when recording you generally don't mike the bass speaker.
Just wanted to note that many compare their own current tone(s), especially live performances, against tunes on vinyl. Funny...
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12-01-2011, 10:22 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Halifax,N,S. Canada | | | So many of the early British invasion bands used Rivolis . I don't think Fender basses were widely available there at the time ... |
12-01-2011, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by StyleOverShow They're have been so many changes. For instance, when recording you generally don't mike the bass speaker.
Just wanted to note that many compare their own current tone(s), especially live performances, against tunes on vinyl. Funny... |
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12-01-2011, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by msb So many of the early British invasion bands used Rivolis . I don't think Fender basses were widely available there at the time ... | Neither Gibson nor Fender had distributors in England for a long time. Selmer worked with CMI (Chicago Musical Instruments, the owners of Gibso/Epiphone at the time) and imported Epiphones. That's why so many of the bands at the time used Rivolis instead of the Gibson EB-2. Remember that at that time, Epiphones and Gibsons were made on the same assembly line by the same people to the same standards, and often with exactly the same components.
CMI bought the rights to Epiphone's string bass division when the Stapaulo family sold it following Epi Stapaulo's death. They thought they were getting the rights to the name, WIP, and tooling for the double basses only. When they unpacked what had been shipped to them they found all the guitar stuff too. So Mr. Berlin, the president of CMI checked with the attorneys and confirmed that CMI could indeed market guitars with the Epiphone name.
As guitars got more popular, CMI dealers who were NOT Gibson dealers were clamoring for a quality guitar they could sell. CMI used the Epiphone name to sell guitars to those dealers without violating the exclusive dealer agreements they had with other stores in the area. Epiphones were made in Kalamazoo until late '69 or early '70. That's when they became a cheap import line (and the '70s stuff was pretty cheap and not at all like the ten years previous).
Selmer gave some sunburst E-230 Casino guitars, the Epiphone equivalent to the Gibson ES-330 (not the ES-335!) to the Beatles for a tour. After he refinished it natural, one became John Lennon's iconic guitar. Paul McCartney still uses his live.
Getting a Gibson or a Fender early one required getting one an individual brought over.
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12-01-2011, 07:55 PM
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