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Ross AriaPro 12-29-2013 07:06 PM

What surprises you at the guitar store?
 
I've been playing guitar for years and recently switched to bass...which means I've been scouting local stores trying to get up to speed on whats available these days.

Its kinda shocking really how many basses over $800 have no set-up at all in the factory!!!

The most surprising thing was picking up a Squier re-issue and finding that it plays and sounds almost as good as a Stingray, at least until its plugged in.

Huh???

bassgod0dmw 12-29-2013 07:30 PM

Blame the store not the factory. Nearly every decent company out there does a factory setup. EBMM surely does.

However that doesn't mean that the climate change won't affect it or that the store will make sure it's playable.

kimokeo 12-29-2013 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bassgod0dmw (Post 15307602)
Blame the store not the factory. Nearly every decent company out there does a factory setup. EBMM surely does.

However that doesn't mean that the climate change won't affect it or that the store will make sure it's playable.

+1

ZenG 12-29-2013 07:38 PM

One store I go to, what surprises me is how little they know about what they sell....this was a major issue when I bought keyboards.....

Another store I go to I'm totally really impressed by certain "bass and guitar" guys that work there.....

Yet another store I go to the guy who runs it knows absolutely dick about anything....and is only there to lighten your wallet for you......

inthebassclef 12-29-2013 07:40 PM

Unfortunately to get a good set up you need to go to a good local store (i.e. Rudy's in NYC). The downside of that is it is usually higher end gear. However, places do sell low-mid range (i.e. Mexican Fenders).
+1 to EBMM, best factory set up in the business IMO.

Edward G. 12-29-2013 08:21 PM

I think it's a classic case of short-term greed trumping long-term viability. Only a fool does not present an item for sale in its best and most salable condition.

There are a lot of fools among music retailers.

Red_Label 12-29-2013 08:51 PM

As a long-time lead guitar player who recently also switched over to bass (or at least decided to focus on it for the time being), what's surprised me about bass is the level of gear that you get for "cheap". My Sterling basses (Ray35, Ray 34CA fretless, and just bought a fretted Ray 34 on ebay tonight) are awesome values for the money and honestly have impressed me so much that I'm not jonesing for a "real" MM at this point. Also, I got into a killer-sounding GK MB200 and used Eden Nemesis N115RS cab that I honestly really dig at this point and am not GASing for a monster bass rig. I've been through a ton of high-end boutique guitar tube amps in the past decade (Bogner, VHT, Engl, H&K, etc) and it just seems like to me that the buy-in for a great-sounding bass rig is cheaper than it is for a great-sounding guitar rig. At least that's my limited opinion as a pretty green bass player with nearly 30 years of gigging as a lead guitarist under my belt.

verycoolname 12-29-2013 08:54 PM

Always surprised at how a lot of people that work at music stores are apathetic to the products they're selling. Music is a passion, so when you set out to work in an instrument store I think you should have some passion/knowledge/interest in the product you're selling. Apparently this isn't a requirement at a lot of music retailers.

Ross AriaPro 12-29-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Red_Label (Post 15307958)
My Sterling basses (Ray35, Ray 34CA fretless, and just bought a fretted Ray 34 on ebay tonight) are awesome values for the money and honestly have impressed me so much that I'm not jonesing for a "real" MM at this point.

Good tip thanks...didnt know about those.

Aside from being made in Indonesia whats the difference between a Ray34 and a MM Stingray???

Ross AriaPro 12-29-2013 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward G. (Post 15307834)
Only a fool does not present an item for sale in its best and most saleable condition.

Right, imagine going to a car dealership and test driving a car with half inflated tires.

bassgod0dmw 12-29-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross AriaPro (Post 15308198)
Right, imagine going to a car dealership and test driving a car with half inflated tires.


I'm sure that happens just as often and the people buying the car have no idea.

Eminor3rd 12-29-2013 10:28 PM

What surprises me is how many people still buy instruments brand new.

SeanNeedham 12-30-2013 03:37 AM

One thing that surprised me being in a different country now to what I'm used to (apart from how poorly most of the instruments on display are set up), is how territorial the shops are. Partly down to how the distributors work locally, because it seems here where I am that each major manufacturer/distributor has their own end point shops and these will only carry instruments by that manufacturer as a rule, plus the generics and clones.

This wouldn't be so bad if I wasn't out of the cities, but where I am it's at least an hours drive between music shops, and if I want to try a Fender I have to go to one town, a Yamaha another, an EBMM another... In the music shops I used to frequent in England, they'd at least have a choice in what they had in, in terms of different manufacturers so there was at least some in shop point of comparison.

mellowinman 12-30-2013 05:38 AM

How little patience they have for my "beat it against the amp to test both for durability" test.

3234718 12-30-2013 05:54 AM

The complete lack of interest/care from the majority of the employees used to surprise me, but not anymore.

I was in GC once and wanted to get a bass down from the top of the wall. I could have stepped on an amp to get it, but I figured since I weigh about 250lbs, I should ask someone for help and they can bring a ladder.

An employee that was bigger and fatter then me came in and stepped right on a little combo amp to grab the bass.

Skeeter1 12-30-2013 06:15 AM

When I get down on myself I just go into the closest GC and ask the salesperson about some of the few, and I mean few, bass amps and cabs they have there. Now I have never been known for my technical knowledge of bass gear but I always feel like a genius when compared to the "duuuude, its not Bass Guitar Center" mindset. Although I'm sure in some city, somewhere there is the competent salesperson on bass gear, but just like Sasquatch, I thane yet to see them.

pfox14 12-30-2013 06:25 AM

Most stores probably figure that their customers wouldn't know a good set up from a hole in the ground, so why bother.

MrLenny1 12-30-2013 06:29 AM

I was at a music store last week.
Tried a Breedlove acoustic that played really well.
Great setup and in tune. Nice axe.
The other one was a Takamine acoustic, same thing again.
I credit the store for that.

FloridaTim 12-30-2013 07:16 AM

I just bought an acoustic bass from a GC. They had to go into the back to find it. While we were waiting the tech came out and said, "Let's find another one you like the feel of and I will set up yours to match that one." Turns out it was already set up well, but there is at least one good tech at a GC.

OogieWaWa 12-30-2013 07:35 AM

Why do the worst players over in the guitar area "play" the loudest?

On the other hand, ever been trying a progression on a bass and some unseen guitar player over yonder starts jamming with you? That's kind of cool! Hahahahaha!


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