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Old 09-20-2009, 03:20 PM
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Actually I'd like to say something about the headstock. I know, it looks like I mutilated a Fender-type headstock.

And it's true! It's a functional mutilation, though. Just 1 inch less hassle in crowded places and small clubs.

But more than that, it's a statement. It says "I don't want to be like everybody else, here I am, you can gaze at my bass and not understand, but you cannot ignore the great sound that's wetting your girlfriends panties."

Personally I view it as a pragmatic work of art, love it or hate it. Most of you will hate it, that's fine. And please go on ranting! I'm laughing my socks off!
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I saw that one on "The Jetsons."
Eep opp ork ah ah...means that's hideous
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Old 09-20-2009, 05:48 PM
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But more than that, it's a statement. It says "I don't want to be like everybody else, "
I don't understand, the headstock is basically an altered Fender shape...just like some others out there.

The "ball" at the end of the headstock on the original Fender basses was also functional, it held one of their big tuners.
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Old 09-20-2009, 06:59 PM
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Actually I'd like to say something about the headstock. I know, it looks like I mutilated a Fender-type headstock.

And it's true! It's a functional mutilation, though. Just 1 inch less hassle in crowded places and small clubs.

But more than that, it's a statement. It says "I don't want to be like everybody else, here I am, you can gaze at my bass and not understand, but you cannot ignore the great sound that's wetting your girlfriends panties."

Personally I view it as a pragmatic work of art, love it or hate it.
ya think?

so if I take a '63 fender and chop off the last 1" of the headstock it will be an advantage in a small club? interesting selling point.

work of art...I won't debate this...after all...there's LOTS of "stuff" (I have a better word) that's being thrown around this world that's been dubbed as "art"...

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Why rag on the headstock? What headstock ISN'T a altered version of a fender headstock((excluding some of the inverted ones))? SX at $100 dollars has a headstock that looks like a messed with fender, lakland at $1000+ dollars looks like a messed with fender...The way I see it, Faber said "How can I make this design look different?" and everyone else said "How can I make this design look like a fender and NOT get sued".
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Old 09-20-2009, 07:32 PM
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Old 09-21-2009, 04:18 AM
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Why rag on the headstock? What headstock ISN'T a altered version of a fender headstock((excluding some of the inverted ones))? SX at $100 dollars has a headstock that looks like a messed with fender, lakland at $1000+ dollars looks like a messed with fender...The way I see it, Faber said "How can I make this design look different?" and everyone else said "How can I make this design look like a fender and NOT get sued".
Where's the "I don't want to be like everybody else" in the headstock design the builder claims?
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I think this is one of the coolest headstocks i've seen. Most other brands put little effort and just adapt the iconic fender scroll. They merely smooth out shape, add a new curve here or there. They make enough changes so that they are no longer infringing on any trademarks whilst remaining familiar to the customer.

This bass does the same but much more boldly. It kinda makes fun of the whole practice which I have always found uninteresting and too safe from a design perspective.
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I think this is one of the coolest headstocks i've seen.
Ever see the St. Blues headstock? They did the "chopped ball" Fender style headstock in the '80s but from a different angle.
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:24 AM
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A little quiet here... On the dutch "basgitaarforum" there's quite a hassle about it

In fact, some guys didn't understand that is is not a custom-shop-exotic-woods-fender-lookalike.

It's just a different concept. People are eager to attack anything they don't understand, I'm happy that doesn't happen here.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:11 AM
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It says on Paddle bass site that the tester was exited about it is that as opposed to excited?it gets down to bottom line and that is is it good value,I thought also it looked like a Bo Diddley ZZ Topp special I think Gretsch, and the Headstock ditto fender allparts with a slice accross the top I would need to try it before I buy it
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:47 PM
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Should be excited for sure, otherwise the translation to Dutch wouldn't match.

I like the design very much by now, after having seen it on pictures more than a couple of times, also at the dutch bass forums.
I won't try to try it before I can afford it (I'm just a poor scholar), afraid of getting GAS for something unaffordable, but the sound samples sound more than good to me.
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Old 10-07-2009, 01:32 PM
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I've translated my review to English:

Once every couple of years it's time for a new invention in bass land. Examples are graphite, luthite and ebonol when we talk about materials, Ritter and Lace can be checked out for the looks and Q-Tuner pickups and Lightwave pickups are the opponents of conventional magnetic pickups.

Another of those moments has come today. The Dutchman Arnoud Faber has built a bass that, according to him, has to be the most practical for a bass guitar can exist in: The Paddle Bass.


As you can see it's clearly a modern design, but very obviously looking back to the past.

Looks
The name couldn't be better fitting. Those who see this bass for the first time will probably think of a rowing paddle or cricket bat, and some have already found the comparison with the Statue Of Liberty. The idea behind this unconventional design is actually quite simple: Take a square and redesign it so that it's easy to play, without losing the simplicity of the original design. This has resulted in an actual upper horn, which has to take care of the neck dive. Secondly, there is a cutout for your upper leg, and a cutout for your arm (which won't be convenient for everybody, since not everybody has their arm on the same spot). Both things will be experienced differently by every player, but there is a clear idea behind it. Lastly, the body has a risen middle part on top of the body, resembling a Gibson Thunderbird, which has to serve as a really big thumb rest.

What strikes immediately is the shape of the headstock: it looks like a regular Fender headstock, but the top part has been sawn off, so you won't hit the singer or guitar player's head when acting crazy on stage. That choice of shape maybe isn't the best. It probably would have been better if the headstock would have followed the shape of the body more, so the looks would be a bit more consistent.

The mahogany bass I was able to test was finished in deep red, but I can imagine brighter colours would suit this bass really well, so it stands out even more on stage.

Finally: the Paddle Bass has 2 strap buttons: 1 for bass players who prefer their instrument a little bit above the belt, and 1 for Mark King fans. The downside of the latter is that the bass has the tendency to tilt forwards.

Construction and electronics
The bass is really well built. The bolt-on neck fits like a dream in the neck pocket. The pickups and other hardware have been fitted really tight as well. Speaking of pickups: this bass has nearly the simplest electronics configuration imaginable: 2 passive (and noiseless) jazz bass pickups, both equipped with their own volume pot, a master tone and a series-parallel switch. The switch works in the way that in series mode, the pickups work as a humbucker. That is véry convenient in some music styles. More about that in the “sound” section.
The Paddle has a simple vintage bridge and clover tuners. The tuners are a bit of a disappointment as well, because it breaches the square character of the body, and with that the consistency of the design.
All this isn't very exciting. On one hand that's great, because the luthier meant the bass to be nice and simple, and it is now, on the other hand maybe with an extraordinary instrument like this one you might expect a high tech bridge or Q-Tuner pickups. Fortunately, all that can be ordered as an extra.

Playability
This might be the scariest thing on the Paddle. Most bass players are probably used to a nice curvy instrument and when seeing this bass they might think instantly: No one can play on this, can they?! The body will stick in your stomach, chest and arms, and a nice big spot to put your right arm isn't there either. Let alone the neck dive: that hás to be enormous, considering the size of the body!

Yes, you have to get used to playing this. It's réally quite a small bass and for you readers that own a violin bass: you can compare the body size to that.
As soon as you place the bass on your leg there is 1 thing that stands out immediately: the body does stick in your stomach. That is a very important point that hás to be improved, but luckily you only notice that when sitting down while playing. At the moment you stand up this problem has disappeared entirely, so on stage you probably will never notice this.
What can become a bigger issue is the other side: the bass players that hang their bass higher than approximately belt height (like me) will notice the 90 degrees angle of the body. My under arm was really hurting after a while, and as soon as I grabbed one of my other basses that had a rounder arm rest the problem was gone immediately. This is something that many players will notice.

Disclaimer: Please note that I hang my basses quite high, regularly. Your experience may differ.

But except for those things the Paddle is a really nice bass to play. The neckdive is absent, which probably is thanks to the mahogany body. Mahogany is quite a heavy kind of wood, and that compensates the small body size. If you hang the bass on the upper straplock and let go of it entirely it's really balanced.
When set up properly, this instrument doesn't play any different from a conventional bass guitar, and the risen middle part of the body is certainly a great extra help on that subject: despite the fact that the pickups are really close together you don't have the problem of “falling fingers”: it feels like a ramp. Slapping isn't a problem on this bass either.

The neck size lies somewhere in the middle of a Jazz Bass and a Precision Bass, and every bass player will be able to do his thing on this neck.

Sound
This is of course the most important part of a bass guitar: the sound. On that subject some readers might think: those 2 pickups have no use at all. They're so close together they'll only sound good as a humbucker, and then there might as well have been a Musicman pickup in there.
This is far from the truth. Surprisingly enough, you really can get many different sounds from the Paddle Bass. With the pickups in parallel mode as well as series mode you get a Musicman-like punch, but the series mode is a bit more present in the low-mids, and it has a higher output, which might result in a better position in the mix of a band. This sound will mostly be useful in funk and funkrock, but it's usable as well in any decent rock band.
The sound of the bridge pickup doesn't even differ that much from the sound of the 2 pickups together and will therefore be the biggest factor in the sound. The sound is described best as the Musicman-like sound we've experienced before, but it nudges more to the Jazz Bass/Jaco Pastorius sound.
The neck pickup is a completely different story. It seems as if the pickup is almost an inch further forward than it actually is. It's an almost Precision-like sound the instrument produces, and it really is a revelation! All of a sudden I find myself playing The Meters and Bernard Odum bass lines, and I'm playing solely old funk and soul music. And so it's clear the Paddle has more diversity in sound than I had expected.

In conclusion
Arnoud Faber has created a unique instrument with his Paddle Bass. I have never seen an instrument that even remotely resembles this bass and I don't think many luthiers will be attracted to building a similar bass, but it seems to look better every time I see it.
It's unique in its sound quality as well. Although it seems to resemble the classic Musicman Stingray and Fender basses, the Paddle constantly takes one extra step aside. This way it gets its own spot in bass guitar land where not many other brands come, even in this price range (it costs about $1200, which could be more if you want more expensive pickups, a better bridge etc.).

Sounds
Both pickups, single coil mode: CLICK
Both pickups, humbucker mode: CLICK
Bridge pickup: CLICK
Neck pickup: CLICK
In all fragments, the first part is with the tone open, the second part with the tone closed.

Slap: CLICK
First single coil mode, then humbucker.
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Just my opinion, but for me Faber = FUGLY!
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:38 PM
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So...you like to "hang" your Bass....interesting. Did your bass kill the audience?

Just kidding, nice review.
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Definitely not appealing at all to me.
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:51 PM
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Love the pup positioning.
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It's not for everyone. It's weird. But it's good. It has a real attitude, both in looks and sound. The design gets better when you see people play it. I'll post some pics and probably some video in a few weeks.

Edit: It's a pity the Euro is so expensive. It's only 850 euro's but the USD is only worth 0,69 euro's these days.

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Actually I'd like to say something about the headstock. I know, it looks like I mutilated a Fender-type headstock.

And it's true! It's a functional mutilation, though. Just 1 inch less hassle in crowded places and small clubs.

But more than that, it's a statement. It says "I don't want to be like everybody else, here I am, you can gaze at my bass and not understand, but you cannot ignore the great sound that's wetting your girlfriends panties."

Personally I view it as a pragmatic work of art, love it or hate it.
...and this is exactly what it looks like you were trying to do. I don't frequent museums and attempt to interpret modern art, but the intent of the headstock seemed obvious and (to me, anyway) effective.

The headstock takes the shape synonymous with the traditional electric bass and makes a clear statement of separation from that image in a way that making a completely different headstock just doesn't. It reminds you of what it is and what it isn't.

What I find funny is that the controversy about the aesthetics is pretty shallow compared to the deeper argument that could be had about the builder's intent. But, hey, "it's ugly" is easier to type, right?

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@ Mike thank you! That's exactly to the point (in my view anyway).

Shot a new pic today wit a different controlplate. More pics will follow as soon the new basses are ready...

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