shuttle 6.0

[Fretlessboy]

OK, ALL BS ASIDE... I JUST PLUGGED THE 6.0 IN TO MY PAIR OF NEOX112'S AND IT IS F'ING MAGIC. THIS IS SO IMPRESSIVE I HAD TO START A NEW THREAD. GUYS IF YOU REMOTELY LIKE WHAT GENZ HAS EVER HAD TO OFFER THEN JUST CALL YOUR DEELER AND BUY ONE. I PLUGGED IT IN,SET THE GAIN, HIT THE BASS BOOST AND MAN OH MAN IT IS PERFECT... IT'S LOUD TIGHT AND FULL AND TO ME SOUNDS LIKE THE FET CHANNEL AND TUBE CHANNEL OF THE 1200 PERFECTLY BLENDED. GOOOOOO BUY ONE

YES I AM A LITTLE HYPER BUT GOOD LORD THIS THING IS CUTE AND SCAREY ALL AT THE SAME TIME. I COULD TELL RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX IT WAS THE BOMB IN MY OPINION IS THE 1 PIECE OF GEAR NO ONE SHOULD BE WITH OUT. PERFECT IN MOTION.

[saltymonkey]

Thanks Dennis. Let the search begin. Not to mention the flood of other used heads on the market.

[Fretlessboy]

Dude I plugged it in, hit 2 notes and literaly screamed "YES"... I have never been so impressed with a unit in so few notes in my life.

Originally Posted by saltymonkey

Thanks Dennis. Let the search begin. Not to mention the flood of other used heads on the market.

[saltymonkey]

Originally Posted by Fretlessboy

Dude I plugged it in, hit 2 notes and literaly screamed "YES"... I have never been so impressed with a unit in so few notes in my life.

That's awesome. You've had quite an exciting week between this and the Uber. I had been looking for a used GBE 750. But I'm going to hold out for one of these. Thanks for the report.

[Fretlessboy]

[saltymonkey]

It spawned.

[B String]

Okay.... So how is it when you don't use the bass boost,
but just turn up the bass control. Is it more of a low-mid
bass control, or do you not really need the bass boost for
the lows. I'm just afraid of not being able to control the
amount of bass boost.

[Laredo]

Originally Posted by Fretlessboy

OK,

You got me convinced to try the Shuttle 6.0 now, but where did you get that "perfect fit", match your cabinet rack for your GBE-1200? I kinda like that, I'm using 4 spacer now, but that looks sweet.................

I was thinking of a Shuttle to use when the power of GBE-1200 is not needed...........Is the 3.0 worth looking at, or just the 6.0? I was actually thinking of the 3.0, because I have the GBE-1200 to handle "paint peeling" situations.

Good to see someone so excited about their gear.............Makes me realize I'm not the only one that can get that way!

[Fretlessboy]

It came from Genz it is the sleeve and the coners lock in to the corners of the 212's and 112's

I played the 3.0 combo with the 8 inch today and the 3.0 is cool. It drove the Uber410 nicely

Originally Posted by Laredo

OK,

You got me convinced to try the Shuttle 6.0 now, but where did you get that "perfect fit", match your cabinet rack for your GBE-1200? I kinda like that, I'm using 4 spacer now, but that looks sweet.................

I was thinking of a Shuttle to use when the power of GBE-1200 is not needed...........Is the 3.0 worth looking at, or just the 6.0? I was actually thinking of the 3.0, because I have the GBE-1200 to handle "paint peeling" situations.

Good to see someone so excited about their gear.............Makes me realize I'm not the only one that can get that way!

[Fretlessboy]

[Eublet]

Looks cool! I really don't know how I'm going to resist this thing.

BString - I just posted this in another thread, but I'll do so here as well for everyone. There is an EQ knob for boosting/cutting the lows. It affects lows, not low mids. The mid control is semi-parametric, and then there is a high end control. The knobs controling the lows and highs are on a shelving curve (if I'm saying that right), meaning the slope changes as you boost. That gives you a VERY musical control over the each using just a single knob.

The LF extension just adds a very deep bottom thump. If you've ever seen a graph on a cab, you notice that the deeper lows really "roll off" below 100 hz very quickly. The LF extension kind of boosts that range a bit to compensate. It adds a bit of deep low thump. Even though it's an on-or-off thing, it's very useable without being in your face. You'll understand the second you try it out.

The Mid scoop takes a little out of the middle. The HF attack adds a little bit of grind in the highs. These buttons shouldn't be considered "EQ" options per se. But rather, you can engage them and then use the EQ to tweak your sound even more if you like. For example, if you want a scooped tone, you could leave all those buttons off and just use the EQ. Or you could hit the mid scoop to start from another reference point. Or you could just hit the LF and HF buttons. It gives you a "quick switch" setting so to speak.

[Fretlessboy]

With the bass boost off it stil has bottom...with it on it sounds MUCH bigger and you can run an active bass flat. If you are gonna push the bass control on the bass you don't need the one on the amp. I run my Smiths passivemost of the time so I like the bass boost.

[B String]

Originally Posted by Eublet

BString - I just posted this in another thread, but I'll do so here as well for everyone. there is a knob for boosting the lows. It's NOT a low-mid boost. It is a low boost. The mid is semi-parametric, and then there is a high end. The lows and highs are on a shelving curve (if I'm saying that right), meaning the slope changes as you boost. That gives you a VERY musical control over the lows with a single knob.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know its a bass control, I was more
wondering about the voicing. 80hz is about as high as I see
on a bass frequency control. Most are at 40hz, to about 60hz.
I understand the LF boost adds low bass (30-50hz).
Sometimes thats a bit huge sounding. I just want bass booty.
I know I'm just going to have to try the amp out to really
know anything. Its very hard for anyone else to know my
tone goals. Oh darn...... I've got G.A.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Crabby]

So if you played through the 6.0 blind, with no idea how small it was, would you say it has the punch and authority of a 600 watt amp?

How does it compare to an Eden WT550, both tonewise and volume wise?

Could the 6.0 be my only amp and give me a loud clean tone in a full band situation??

[MiniMic]

I have always been impressed with G-B gear.
I just tried the Shuttle 3.0 with an 8" and 10" speaker
I was really impressed with both. I love the way my Lakland Hollowbody sounded with them both. Then I tried it with the Lakland Bob Glaub and WOW! I am ready to let go of my 10 year old G-K 150MB rig and replace it with a Shuttle 3.0 w/ 2-10" cabs. I can't wait! I will actually be able to move my own gear alone for the first time ever !

[willsellout]

I didn't like the 1200 but love the Neo Pack. It's just such a great unit I can't imagine they improved it so much..although it is Genz Benz..




Dan

[liam_g]

Originally Posted by MiniMic

I have always been impressed with G-B gear.
I just tried the Shuttle 3.0 with an 8" and 10" speaker
I was really impressed with both. I love the way my Lakland Hollowbody sounded with them both. Then I tried it with the Lakland Bob Glaub and WOW! I am ready to let go of my 10 year old G-K 150MB rig and replace it with a Shuttle 3.0 w/ 2-10" cabs. I can't wait! I will actually be able to move my own gear alone for the first time ever !

You mean like this?




As I said over in the megathread, I'm really shocked with this little 33 pound, 300 watt, 2x10 ministack. I'll be playing it with a Stevie Ray-style electric blues band tomorrow night, and will see how it goes on the gig. It did great in the rehearsal.

Can't wait to try out the 6.0 as well.

Cheers

[Overdrive777]

Originally Posted by Crabby

How does it compare to an Eden WT550, both tonewise and volume wise?

I'm also interested in this.

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Crabby

So if you played through the 6.0 blind, with no idea how small it was, would you say it has the punch and authority of a 600 watt amp?

How does it compare to an Eden WT550, both tonewise and volume wise?

Could the 6.0 be my only amp and give me a loud clean tone in a full band situation??

these are kind of tough questions to answer:
Who's 600 watt amp? It definetly has the power and punch of our GBE600,,,,,and then some.

Will it work in a full band situation: this depends on the band and what + how many cabs you're running. PA support? I can say if you are running a 600 watt amp now and it works for you, then this will to.

Maybe you're asking "are they real watts like a heavy amp's real watts". Yes they are. ...promise. That's more of how a company rates their watts and not so much as is it SMPS, linear etc.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by B String

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know its a bass control, I was more
wondering about the voicing. 80hz is about as high as I see
on a bass frequency control. Most are at 40hz, to about 60hz.
I understand the LF boost adds low bass (30-50hz).
Sometimes thats a bit huge sounding. I just want bass booty.
I know I'm just going to have to try the amp out to really
know anything. Its very hard for anyone else to know my
tone goals. Oh darn...... I've got G.A.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Bruce,

One thing to remember with bass controls is that they are typically shelving type controls, which boost ALL frequencies below the shelving start point. So, a shelving start point at 80hz will boost just as much low end as a shelving start point at 40hz, it will just boost some high bass frequencies along with it.

My guess is, this was done for two reasons by Genz. One, having a bass control that impacts some of the higher bass/lowest midrange region will allow that control to add some 'punch' along with 'boom', creating the feeling of more girth down low, especially when paired with a smaller cab (like the Shuttle cabs these heads were designed to work with) that is less sensitive to freq's below the typical shelving starting point of more traditionally voiced bass controls (40hz shelving boost start point). Secondly, given the Shuttle has only one mid control, this allows the single semiparametric mid control to be used to focus on either adding mid-mid articulation, or cutting upper mid gank, versus low mid punch that might be lacking.

So, regarding the deep low end response of that control, it should be similar to other bass controls, just sounding a little more 'punchy' than pure 'deep low end'. I again prefer a dedicated 'deep bass' control and dedicated low mid control myself, but this is another way to get at it, and I'm sure it sounds great.

The 'bass boost' type controls (the push button fixed deep bass boost) like on the 6.0 are really designed to muscle a cab with a very high -3db roll-off to produce more true bass.... i.e., it adds that 3db of deep bass boost right around where a small cab typically rolls off. For most cabs, you would want to avoid this control like the plague, but for smaller cabs at low volume, these types of controls can fatten things up a bit IMO and IME.

Regarding the questions about volume compared to 'bigger' (which means non SMPS) amps like Eden550 with similar wattage in the posts above, the days of small amp wimpiness went out the door recently. The Markbass LMII/F1 has every bit of oomph, volume and power versus the similarly rated amps with more traditional power supplies like the WT550, TF550, AG500, etc. and I'm absolutely sure the 6.0 will also. At this point, you just have to figure out if the tone is something you like, versus if these amps really sound like 500-600 watt amps... they really do!

I look VERY forward to giving the 6.0 a try (since I'm totally into the 'small and loud') when these units land at Low Down Sound.