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Old 09-10-2000, 12:08 PM
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Does anybody know the name of a good bass scales book?I want to pick up one so I can learn all of my major/minor scales.Prefer book form so I can have all the info in one convieniant place.I have downloaded a few scales offline but need more.

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Old 09-10-2000, 01:06 PM
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I like the complete jazz bass book but you can pick from several others here if you like.

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Boy, have you asked for it...

and I have the most complete book of scales written for the bass that you could ever want. It's called "The Bass Grimoire" by Adam Kadmon. It's published by Carl Fischer. Grimoire (rhymes with guitar) means a book of magical formulas, a magicians manual. It is a VERY comprehensive breakdown of all of the scales, modes, and patterns and all is shown graphically on fretboard layouts. There's even stuff in here that isn't really well known like hirojoshi, kumoi, persian, enigmatic, and neopolitan scales.

It's about $18.00 from Carl Fischer

http://www.carlfischer.com

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hey, Hambone! I was gonna say that!
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i would suggest getting a basic theory text,there are so many good ones,any reputable music store has a large variety.beginning your path towards learning your bass goes beyond just the scale,take a few steps back and look at how those scales come to be,function and co-exist musically,not just as fretboard patterns.here in canada we have a comprehensive series put out by the royal conservatory,i`m sure there is something similar in the states,the berklee series is great.don`t look for shortcuts,there are`nt any.good luck!!!!
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Old 09-11-2000, 10:04 AM
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I have the "Bass Grimoire" suggested by Hambone above, but it can be quite intimidating to a beginner. I mean...talk about detail...whew! It is probably MORE than you will need for a couple of years. Without knowing just where you stand in terms of experience, I'd suggest a more basic book.

"Scales and Modes for Bass", Steve Hall and Ron Manus,
Alfred Publishing Company; $6.95, 48 pages.

It has both tab and standard notation, plus fretboard charts like the Grimoir, but they are easier to read as the print is larger. The book covers major scales and related modes, minor scales, whole tone and diminished scales, major and minor pentatonic and blues scales.

Of course it tells you what chords are used with each scale and what styles of music commonly use the scale or mode.

Working your way through that book will give you plenty of solid background to make your bass lines interesting. Good luck and I think it is admirabble that you want to get a deeper knowledge than just what you can get off the Internet, which is often a little disjointed and out of context. Of course, you can move up to the Bass Grimoire when you feel that what is in this book is no longer adequate or you want to venture into more exotic territory musically.

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Some other things you may consider is not just learning the scales, but learning variations of them.

For example, learn to play them in different positions. If you normally play a "2-4-1-2-4-1-3-4" approach for a major scale, for example, learn to start with a different fingering and span the fretboard differently. Also, try learning it in different octaves, or even multiple octaves. Notice where your fingers are and listen to each note. If you can play a major scale two octaves up then two octaves down, you'll recognize more on the fretboard if you ever have to jump an octave for a riff.

Another thing you can do is alternate right hand patterns. Try just quarter notes. Then try eighth notes. Then try eighth/quarter/eighth, etc... You can also practice alternating the notes, such as 1-3-2-4-3-5-4-6-5-7-6-8, etc...

These exercizes will teach you tons about how each scale can be used. Merely learning a scale is deceiving. You have to know how to use them. Otherwise, you're no better off...
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The book I mentioned, "Scales and Modes" by Hall and Manus does have the scales in many positions. For exam[ple, the minor pentatonic scale is shown in five different positions, plus an example of how the minor pentatonic is used is shown in examples from Stanley Clarke and Billy Sheehan. I know it sounds like I'm really sold on this book and I am for beginners. However, harking back to the reference mentioned above, "The Bass Grimoire"...that book also shows many positions for each scale and mode. I don't have it handy, but I believe it also shows some two octave scales too. Jason Oldsted
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Thank yee all kindly fer da information!

Next payday I will see about ordering one of these books for my bassucation. Scales and seem like they will we boring and like doing homework,but I guess to really get an understanding of the instrument and basic musical theory it is a necessary evil *sigh* I will make sure that is the first part of my practicing(after warm ups) then go to the fun stuff! lol

Usul a.k.a. Bill Hosford

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one other point usul,that was`nt mentioned,don`t look at these scales as seperate entities...they`re all connected,whatever book(s)you get make sure it has an graphic description of the circle of 5ths.once you grasp this,you won`t look at each scale as being different,but as part of one entity.
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