4 String with low B - Suggestions?

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  1. PhatPhoenix

    PhatPhoenix

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    Hi all, here goes the first post.:ninja:

    I am looking into getting a new bass and have been wanting a 5 string, but I have annoyingly short fingers so I was thinking a 4 string with B-E-A-D tuning might be better. I am not very good at modifying guitars, so I was wondering if there were any well made 4 string basses that are built to be B-E-A-D tuning?

    I was originally thinking of a Carvin SB5000, but if anyone knows something similar which is not going to be a problem with buzzing frets or requires aftermarket modifications I would be all ears.

    Thanks for the help.
     
  2. QweziRider

    QweziRider Supporting Member

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    The only two things I have ever had to do going B-E-A-D is to use the bottom four of a five string set (need those heavier gauges) and gently file the nut slots a tad wider - not deeper. Then do a setup to account for the possibly different tensions. Beyond that, I've never had to do modifications.
     
  3. PhatPhoenix

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    Thanks QweziRider, I am somewhat concerned with the tonal qualities of the guitar. For example there are some 5 strings out there that have a subpar B string and others that sound authoritative. This is why I wonder if anyone makes a 4 string with a low B in mind? The other point that has been mentioned on other posts is tension and I wonder if some guitars might be better suited to thicker gauge strings.

    At the end of the day I want something that sounds right and plays well.
     
  4. QweziRider

    QweziRider Supporting Member

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    I'm afraid the only four stringers I own are Ricks, so I can't help you along the lines of other brands that do well with BEAD. I can say the Ricks have been perfectly suited in sound and feel with BEAD.
     
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  6. basspipe

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    Your best bet is to find a used Modulus (IMHO) 4-string with a 35" scale. Then have the nut modified and the bass set-up to accommodate whatever B-E-A-D strings you choose from a 5-string set by a competent and well-trained guitar and bass tech or luthier. I always check to see if they are certified repair technicians for companies like Taylor, Martin, Fender, or Gibson. Be careful if you find a "luthier" though, just because someone makes fancy instruments in exotic woods doesn't necessarily qualify them as an expert. So, check around for someone that other respected musicians in your area trust with their own instruments. You might also want to check with Modulus, I'm sure this isn't a new idea. They might have some advice or better, they might be able to make or modify a nut for you.

    Good Luck!
     
  7. rydin4lifebass

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    I have an ibanez srx300 tuned bead with DR red devils. Paul grey had a signature ibanez tuned bead..if I could find one cheap I still might pick one up.
     
  8. AdamR

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    Spector Euro is available in a 35" scale.
     
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    Like basspipe said. Try to find a 35" scale. The ESP LTD F series is 35". Also try a 135 or 130 gauge for the low B. I use a 135 tuned to a low A on my 35" 5 strings.
     
  10. PhatPhoenix

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    Thanks for the input everyone.

    Forgive my ignorance, but why is a 35" scale preferable? The Carvin SB5000 has a 34" neck, same as their SB4000.
     
  11. basspipe

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    The extra inch makes the b-string a little tighter and provides more fundamental b-string tone. Meaning that the sound you'll get when you strike the string will be more defined at the moment you strike it. Some would argue this however, they're usually playing very high-end instruments like Fodera.

    As far as my vote for using graphite necks, the material does not absorb as much of the strings vibration as a wood neck will and so the strings vibrations are captured more clearly by the pick-ups which will offer a more clear and defined b-string that will not get lost in the mix. Another alternative might be a Moses Graphite neck. Check out their website. They can copy any neck for you to use a replacement.
     
  12. Thomas Kievit

    Thomas Kievit Thou shall not F*** up the groove Supporting Member

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    You could buy the Sandberg Terrabass (Oliver Riedel, Rammstein signature) which comes factory tuned B-E-A-D. It has a extra thick neck, so no need to worry about destroying your neck.

    Also, the Fender Steven Harris signature P bass, comes factory tuned in B-E-A-D and has a extra thick neck.

    I'm not sure what your budget is, but both basses are around 1300 / 1400 bucks :)
     
  13. NYCbassist

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    My opinion is try BEAD on a cheaper bass Get a good quality set of 5 string strings and use the B,E,A & D. Very slight filing of the nut may be required. There's a good chance you'll miss the higher notes. I Know I did. I used a MIJ Fender Power Jazz bass special and it handled it beautifully but I like my high notes.
     
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    The Peavey Cirrus 4 string basses are 35" scale, too.

    Thin neck with the longer scale would be perfect for what you say you want.

    I might also suggest experimenting with a less expensive bass. Maybe a Squier Jazz or one of the new SUB Stingrays. I would think one of the new SUBs would be great BEAD.
     
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    Any four string should be fine. If there were a way to "design" a bass to guarantee a good-sounding B string, then there wouldn't be such a significant variation in B strings on 5-string basses (although some do believe in the virtues of 35" scale). Even if someone wanted to design a 4-string to better handle a B, there wouldn't be much of anything for them to do other than things that you can already do to any bass (widen the nut slots, adjust the setup, etc.).
     
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    Were did you hear that ? Maiden play in E, the bass is strung in standard tuning.
     
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    I have my Fender MIM Precision set up to BEAD. I use the bottom 4 strings of a DR Lo-Rider 5 string set. No nut modifications were necessary (doesn't mean there wouldn't be for any bass though), just a fresh setup and proper intonation. In my experience D'Addario strings work well too. The general consensus seems to be that hex core strings have a bit more tension than round core, so that certainly helps if you're tuning very low. You don't necessarily have to use a 5 string set, plenty of brands have very heavy gauge strings that will get the job done fine. It's just a personal preference for the string gauges on my part. I used a similar setup on an Iceman bass in the past and had good results. Though that did require a minor amount of filing on the nut. I should also say although I don't have any 5 strings currently, I have in the past. I make no point to compare them to a 4 string set to BEAD, they were all very different instruments and I was looking to get something different out of each of them. So there might be a very different set of variables involved to get what YOU want out of a particular 4 string in that tuning. I don't think there's necessarily one hard set of specs (scale, string type, string gauge, etc.) that will make it be great or suck flat out, across the board. It still has to be setup properly as an instrument in its own right, apart from the tuning.
     
  18. DonaldR

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    I have done the same thing on an old BC Rich Mockingbird US-made (see my tread http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f8/no-reason-why-34-bass-cannot-have-good-b-string-932149/) and it's such a join to play. I put a set of DR 5-string on it and didn't touch the nut until I felt I liked it. It's a keeper for me.
     
  19. Thomas Kievit

    Thomas Kievit Thou shall not F*** up the groove Supporting Member

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    Then... I mixed it up with another bass xD Sorry
     
  20. Solarmist

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    I think you should go to your local GC and music stores, and try some 5ers being that's what you really want. Ibanez SR, Schecter Stiletto, and Peavey Millennium BXP (to name a few) all have smaller necks. I have nothing against BEAD (been there - done that), and I'm telling you this because I think you'll be better off in the long run, and happier you did.

    At least - try a few out before you decide. Just my 2 cents.
     
  21. darkstorm

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    Esp Ltd F series 4 strings are ready for BEAD stringing right out of the box and are also 35 scale.
     

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