Amp for F# tuning

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs [BG]' started by Dark-Gothic-Elf, Feb 11, 2013.

  1. Dark-Gothic-Elf


    Nov 12, 2009
    Hi guys/girls.

    I'm looking for my first amp
    I'm looking for an combo or stack that can handle f# tuning

    Budget 400 euro 497,09 dollar

    Something like:

    Thanks For replying.
  2. CL400Peavey

    CL400Peavey Supporting Member

    Nov 7, 2011
    Grand Rapids Michigan
  3. B-string

    B-string Supporting Member

    Or start a third or fourth thread asking the same question :rollno:
  4. Hi.


    Starting multiple threads on the same subject is considered normal and is thus accepted behaviour in certain forums, but it's better to stick to one and bump it (sparingly) if necessary.

    As for Your question about a F# capable amp, the already suggested headphone-amp is the best solution by far if just practising is the immediate need.
    If You want something "nicer", a pre-amp and heaphones would be the next logical step.

    If You want a gig-spl capable rig for F# tuned bass, 1KW is IME the very minimum and requires a very efficient speaker system. Add a zero to Your budget if that's your goal.

    That said I practise with a SWR WM10, and have even used that as a monitor live when playing in a small bar and a hefty PA.
    But, You have to be VERY CAREFUL since a ported cab doesn't offer the driver any suspension below the tuning frequency and over-excursion happens very, very fast.
    Less than 10W at sub 30Hz frequencies can blow even the sturdiest of MI driver(s) so better to roll off the lows and to consentrate on the harmonics.

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  6. IPYF


    Mar 31, 2011
    If I was doing this I'd get a Hartke amp. They do a mighty rock sound and have a very adjustable preamp section. You might find one of them in your pricerange on the second hand market, maybe even with a matched cab.

    I'd also fit my instrument to use Rotosound DropZone strings, play only with a pick and roll the bass out of any amp you use (as has been previously indicated). This will enable your midrange harmonics to click out the low notes without the amp trying to reproduce impossible sub lows that will stress your speakers unduly. It won't be very articulate but you could get an adequate facsimile of the Meshuggah sound using this method.

    In order to reproduce an articulate tone lower than a B you will need to invest many thousands of dollars on highly efficient boutique speaker cabinets. I looked into this recently as I wanted to drop to G# on a 5 string. There is no poor man's equivalent on this issue so I chose to steer away. There are so many factors in the process that it gets expensive almost immediately. It's also not really worth risking it on cheaper gear in my opinion. The worst busted Ampeg SVT810 I ever saw was used by a guy who didn't know how to turn his bass knob down while playing in A. 6 of the 8 speakers had cracked clean out of the cab during the show.
  7. Mr. Foxen

    Mr. Foxen Commercial User

    Jul 24, 2009
    Bristol, UK
    Amp tinkerer at Ampstack
    Get a decent high pass filter. Then the amp stops mattering nearly as much. Speakers are your major limitation otherwise.
  8. Dark-Gothic-Elf


    Nov 12, 2009
    Hughes & kettner basskick 515 i can get secondhand for 275euro.
    Will that work?
  9. Legault


    Jan 22, 2013
    If you are playing bass, keep in mind meshuggahs bass player does not tune down that low, the guitars and bass are actually all in the same Octave.
  10. IPYF


    Mar 31, 2011
    The reason I think that most people probably shouldn't tune that low is illustrated in the following video.

    Worst sound possible.
  11. Hi.

    ^This, still.

    Almost any amp and definitely any speaker/cab intended for bass/kbd use will be able to reproduce those frequencies.

    With a budget rig or a combo, the SPL will be very low though.

  12. Dark-Gothic-Elf


    Nov 12, 2009
    Is this one good for it? Ashdown MAG C410T/300
  13. BassKitty101


    Jun 28, 2012
    Endorsing Artist: Luna Guitars, Ashdown Engineering, Cactus Picks
    That model probably can't handle that low of bass. The lowest I take my Ashdown stuff is C.
  14. BassKitty101


    Jun 28, 2012
    Endorsing Artist: Luna Guitars, Ashdown Engineering, Cactus Picks
    I would get a very efficient 15. That will probably do the best job in articulating those frequencies. I would suggest an 18 but I know nothing about them, maybe someone else does.
  15. Blue speakers have never given me any lows.
  16. SerratedBass


    Nov 4, 2010
    Endorsing Artist: Warwick Bass Guitars, Laney Amps
  17. Nashrakh


    Aug 16, 2008
    Hamburg, Germany
    When you listen to the DVD that came with the Nothing reissue, you'll find that the bass actually lies over the guitars tone-wise, with tons of grind. If I were to play in a band like that I'd go that route too as it would serve three very important aspects; first, no need to get a giant rig capable of massive lows, second, the low end won't be as muddy allowing you to hear yourself better AND make the band sound less boomy, and third, there is no third. Well maybe as a fourth, your sound will make the band, at least in meshuggahs case.

    Imo it's kind of the smartest way to avoid a fubar sound situation... Other bands like Bongripper make that low F tuning really happen though so it doesn't always have to turn into sonic mush. Just keeping the stereotypical metal band in mind though...
  18. IPYF


    Mar 31, 2011
    That Ashdown is probably the least suitable amp you can buy. For technical metal you need crisp and growly, like a Hartke, a GK or an Ampeg. Ashdown make a bananas great rock amp, but they're warm and mellow. I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole for my metal bands.
  19. Dark-Gothic-Elf


    Nov 12, 2009
    Which GK, Hartke, ampeg?

    JAUQO III-X Banned

    Jan 4, 2002
    Endorsing artist:see profile.
    If you can afford it, try out several amp brands with a minimum of 500 watts and try out various cabs with at least four 10's and take it from there in deciding what you feel will work for you.

    And you will be surprised what a Ashdown rig can do in the range you want to go down to.

    I've been using Ashdown amps for almost 15 years and depending on what model you'll be just fine.

    Ashdown endorser.
  21. majortoby


    Jul 2, 2009
    Tampa, Fl USA
    Barefaced bass. Get as much barefaced as you can afford and hit it with A LOT of watts. I'd probably get an ART pro channel II into a peavey IPR pa amp. I'd also recommend a STEEP high pass filter in the 38hz range. That should get ya started