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Berg CN212 vs Schroeder PL210

Discussion in 'Amps [BG]' started by MVE, Jul 10, 2013.


  1. MVE

    MVE

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    Has anyone A/B'd these cabs?

    I have a PL210 4ohm ceramic that I am very happy with.

    But, I have been intrigued by the Berg CN212 and kinda just feel like getting something new.

    Any thoughts?

    Running a vintage Demeter VTB-201 with the internal Class D power section upgrade - much better than any external amp I have ever paired it with IMHO (including a few behemoth tube power amps).
     
  2. ::::BASSIST::::

    ::::BASSIST:::: Progress Not Perfection. Supporting Member

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    The 212 will give you more volume, a fatter tone and generally sound better. If you have the cash, go for it!
     
  3. CL400Peavey

    CL400Peavey Supporting Member

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    +1

    The only down side is it will be a larger cab, but in all other ways I would expect it to be superior.
     
  4. MVE

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    Cash is not a problem, its the fact that my wife would never let me have both cabs at the same time in our small apartment...lol.

    I do like the Schroeder very much. It has been great. But, it is really more of the ultimate small footprint bass stage monitor than an all around general purpose bass cab. If you are running DI to an FOH system, and drive a tiny car with a tiny trunk, then there is really nothing better on this earth. Its cuts through just as good and often even much better than anything I have ever compared it to.

    It is definitely not a chest-pounder through.
     
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  6. iualum

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    I'd actually expect it to be vastly superior.
     
  7. MVE

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    A bump on this.
    Is there anyone out there with any direct experiece with both of theses cabs?
    I am ready to make a move, but I wont have the luxury of A/B'ing the together before I buy, and worse yet, I would need to drop the Schroeder off at one place before I could go buy the Berg.
    I really dont want to just drop a grand on a totally linear move.
    Any help out there?
     
  8. iualum

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    Actually, if you have the bread for the Berg, I'd strongly suggest you consider a 15/6. Bang-for-the-buck, there's nothing better, imho :bassist: . Oh, & there'd be nothing linear about t-h-i-s move.
     
  9. MVE

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    Why the 15/6 over the 212?

    I need to get one that will fit in the trunk of my tiny sports car. Not sure the 15 would work. But the 15/6 is 8ohm, so I would be leaving the door open for future upgrade.
     
  10. 3rdcurve

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    Cn212 is a phenomenal cab, I think you would be very happy with it. You will be hard pressed to find another cab as small/light/tonefull with such massive output (for a 212).
     
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    ::::BASSIST:::: Progress Not Perfection. Supporting Member

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    I have owned lots of schroeder cabs (check my profile) and I can say without a tinge of doubt that changing to the CN212 would *not* be a lateral move.

    Is there any way you can demo the Berg before you make any final decisions?
     
  12. MVE

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    Thanks for the imput guys.
    Yeah, I could demo it. But cabs are one of those things that take me a few months of expierience and use in different situations before I can really form an opinion.
    I think I'm just going to make the trade and take a chance.
    If nothing else, I will be able to offer a more informed opinion for future Talkbassers. Lol.
    I've made a few videos of the schro with a mic on the left channel and the DI on the right so people can listen and swing the balance control back and forth to really hear and A/B the cabs tone vs the bass and rig.
    I'll post them as soon as I figure out how to get my video editor to run stereo audio.
     
  13. iualum

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    Dimensions are almost identical, about ~31x20x16 vs the Berg's 31x18.5x15. Weight also almost identical, ~50 lbs. vs. 46 lbs.

    There's a previous comment about the CN212's displacement. I don't know what drivers are used in the Berg. Can anyone comment? But even if it's a pair of 3012HOs, displacement would be ~660cc (& if they're a different full-range driver, displacement's less). Displacement on a 15/6 is ~845cc.

    You mentioned cost isn't a concern which is great. But still, the 15/6 (or make it a 15/6/1 if you want) can probably be had for $300-400 less.

    Of course if you're married to the Berg tone (& a lot of guys are, & if someone is going to be married to a tone, Bergs are admittedly excellent) then only a Berg will do.
     
  14. MVE

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    Done, and DONE.
    I will report more in the morning.
     
  15. MVE

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    Let me start off by saying that the Schroeder 210PL is still the best small format bass stage monitor I have ever used. Were I still playing out two or three times a week trying to cut through loud as hell guitars, I would probably prefer the Schroeder.
    But....
    The Bergantino CN212 is just awesome on so many levels. My Demeter into the Berg is everything a small modern bass amp should be. It sounds as good or even better than DI'ing into a studio board with pro quality monitors, which was previously my grail.
    Thanks guys for your opinions and imput. I could not be happier
     
  16. ::::BASSIST::::

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    Excellent. A lateral move it was not. :bassist:
     
  17. 3rdcurve

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    Glad it worked out!. Its a fantastic cab that will probably make its way back into my arsenal at some point in time.
     
  18. KJung

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    :D Excellent. Since I never played that particular Schroeder (they all sound quite different), I did not participate in your thread. I will say that the CN212 is, for me, the finest bass cab I've ever owned and/or played, regarding the ratio's of size/weight/low end capability/max SPL and most importantly, a voicing from top to bottom that just sounds GOOD with minimum of muss and fuss. Of course, if you need massive stage volume playing dub or something, there are better options. However, for most of us who need to keep up with a 'not stupid guitarist' and a hard hitting drummer, it is pretty amazing!

    Jim really knows how to VOICE a cab to just sound great with a bass guitar, and seems to have a very good feel for balancing the compromises that exist in all speaker designs to come out with the best balance I've heard up to this point. And, if you are one that wants a bit more wide low end, and a bit less mid presence, there is always the HD212:bassist:

    Enjoy... CN212 and Demeter... forget about it:bassist:
     

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