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Big E Speakers

Discussion in 'Amps [BG]' started by kittyboy, Jul 11, 2012.


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  1. kittyboy

    kittyboy Supporting Member

    Sep 27, 2005
    SF, CA
    Huh, I don't know what happened to the previous thread, so let's start a new one.

    Here's a video of Mike Arnopol playing these interesting speakers, the technology of which is currently being developed for commercial production by Leland, Duke @ Audiokinesis, and Mike himself.



    Very exciting...
     
  2. JxBass

    JxBass Supporting Member

    Aug 5, 2008
    You're right, I was subscribed to the thread and it's gone from my list ... hmmm.
     
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  4. Mike Arnopol

    Mike Arnopol Banned Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jan 4, 2005
    Chicago
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    Owner of MAS Soundworks
    Apparently I need to curb my enthusiasm. Two fellow TB'ers were over yesterday. I'll let them post their impressions. 'Twas a good day.
     
  5. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Always groove.... Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Columbia, Md
    The cabs defy logic, but I guess I'm an old fart that thinks that bass cabs should have 15" speakers or it's a practice amp. Heh. Seriously though, I'm very interested in these and there is some serious mindshare going into the product. Vortex Manipulated Waveguide sounds gimmicky, but it's not a gimmick when there is something to back it up.

    I'm predicting big things for this concept.
     
  6. Mike Arnopol

    Mike Arnopol Banned Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jan 4, 2005
    Chicago
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    Owner of MAS Soundworks
    I'm more surprised than anyone!
     
  7. Joebone

    Joebone Supporting Member

    Oct 31, 2005
    Los Angeles
    I don't want to pass judgment based on headphones (albeit decent ones) out of my laptop...but this is a most interesting product. Eights can certainly kick some butt if well-implemented....and here, they most certainly seem to be!
     
  8. Mike Arnopol

    Mike Arnopol Banned Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jan 4, 2005
    Chicago
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    Owner of MAS Soundworks
    They have better low end extension than the 15's because there is never any unloading of the speakers. I've never been able to pop out 16ths on the B string and have them articulate.
     
  9. Jefe

    Jefe

    Mar 8, 2010
    Asheville, NC
    Sub'd. Interesting stuff here. Can't wait to hear more!
     
  10. RichSnyder

    RichSnyder Always groove.... Supporting Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Columbia, Md
    This just blows my mind. 15's are real cabs, 8's are in the guy across the hall's (in college) peavey crap combo. Right? Must unlearn old preconceptions -- I'm glad some ignore preconceptions or we would be stagnant.

    So it sounds like the cabs would be good for an octave pedal junkie like me.
     
  11. Mike Arnopol

    Mike Arnopol Banned Supporting Member Commercial User

    Jan 4, 2005
    Chicago
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    Owner of MAS Soundworks
    Actually the low end is more focused than the 15's. What I've recently learned is that what I thought was a huge low end was a wooly uncontrolled low end.
     
  12. Joebone

    Joebone Supporting Member

    Oct 31, 2005
    Los Angeles
    The articulation thing is precisely what fascinates me. My bass goal is a tone that is both fat and fast, and as I figure out what bass is really about (former trombonist, influenced by the bel canto tradition), quick releases are also the jam! That cabinet sounded great. For my life, I generally don't need something that big, but if there is a 2x8" variant coming down the pike, I'll be very interested (as I keep my Thunderchild 15 for the larger stuff).
     
  13. barryaudio

    barryaudio

    Feb 9, 2012
    Massachusetts
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    Authorized Builder: fEARful bass, greenboy designs, Bill Fitzmaurice
    Based on the description, are you saying its more like a sealed cab?
     
  14. kittyboy

    kittyboy Supporting Member

    Sep 27, 2005
    SF, CA
    Have any Big E prototypes been built in composite yet?
     
  15. Mr. Foxen

    Mr. Foxen Commercial User

    Jul 24, 2009
    Bristol, UK
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    Amp tinkerer at Ampstack
    From this:

    I'd say it was tuned way low which means they don't unload (which is when you go far enough below tuning frequency that the speakers act like they are in the open), and the other consequence of that is low roll off like a sealed cab.
     
  16. bevan lurrito

    bevan lurrito

    Jan 9, 2007
    I guess I dont see anything new here. Looks like a well built waveguide with nice drivers. Yes, waveguides sound great, and can, when properly implemented, get usable SPL's with less power.

    Neo drivers in composite boxes would help address the weight/size issue, but make the finished product cost as much as a Ferrari.

    Funny side note... I talked to some tech folks at Parts Express about using the Tang Band drivers as subs in a bass cab, and they told me that they would be worthless. These sound great. I guess I should listen to my gut and not the PE techs next time? :meh:
     
  17. lelandcrooks

    lelandcrooks Commercial User

    Jan 6, 2011
    Kansas
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    Owner SpeakerHardware.com
    It's still under wraps and under development. Lots of refinements. There's no software that will model these cabs, it's all done the old fashioned way. Way more to it than just waveguide cab. I have 3 of the PA models under my belt now, refining production processes. A dual 8 with a center fired comp driver is the most accurate thing I've ever heard. You can literally hear the engineer triggering the compressors, expanders, effects, everything that was done, that's supposed to be seamless and invisible.
     
  18. 5StringPocket

    5StringPocket Supporting Member

    Jan 11, 2006
    Texas
    Wow, perhaps a touch of wool is not a bad thing for those of us with less than perfect technique.
     
  19. kittyboy

    kittyboy Supporting Member

    Sep 27, 2005
    SF, CA
    Leland, what weight are they coming in at, the 2x8s?
     
  20. christw

    christw Get low!

    May 11, 2008
    Dayton OH
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    I want to be Tesla (tinkerer at Dayton Amp Co)
    Cool. Looks like this might have some potential for DB too. I'd be interested in finding out more but I've still got the hots for an Audiokinesis cab when money permits.

    I'm guilty of using a little bit of overdrive for just that reason. ;)
     
  21. Chef

    Chef Moderator Staff Member Supporting Member

    May 23, 2004
    Columbia MO
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    Staff Reviewer; Bass Gear Magazine



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