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Bridge PU placement (p/p config)

Discussion in 'Pickups & Electronics [BG]' started by NoisyFroggy, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. NoisyFroggy

    NoisyFroggy

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    Hi there, and happy new year from France to my fellow Tbers!

    I have a squier VM PBass (amber) which I dearly love.
    I put a delano PVMC PU a few months ago and am delighted with the stingray meets p-bass punch I get.

    However, I would like to take it up a notch or too and have booked an appointment with a local luthier to have him route the body and add a bridge PU.

    The thing is, just like I can't stand HSS strats (visually) there is something about the P/J concept which turns me off (yeah, I am that vain) and I am leaning towards a P/P config instead (insert PP and double P jokes here, sorry I'm French).

    I have searched TB and the internet, and read a lot about Fenders Elite II basses, and J PU placement options in PJ basses.

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    It seems that most manufacturers put the J in a 70's position as there might be phasing issues between the J PU and the DG portion of the P PU.

    I think Sadowsky chooses to address this issue the other way round and puts the J PU closer to the P PU than a 60's J PU placement.

    I have seen vids on Youtube were Warwick buzzard basses sound awesome with a mirrorred P PU config.
    But the two DG portions of the P PUs look quite close to each other, and would entail the bridge PU DG portion "encroaching" on a P-bass PG somewhat.

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    Reversing the bridge P PU so that the DG portion be not too close to the bridge makes sense to me, but I am afraid of phasing issues between the two DG portions.

    So I guess my questions are:

    1- if I go the P/P (non reversed, non mirrorred) route, what distance from the pickguard would you place the P PU? Just like a fender Elite? or closer to the PG (for the PU to sound a bit fatter, but maybe at the risk of "phasing" issues)?

    2- if I go the mirrored P PU route (bridge P PU "reversed") should I have the two DG portions real close to one another ( just like the buzzard and strykers from warwick, about 1 cm to 1.5cm appart), or may I place it so that the DG portion is about 1 cm to 1.5 cm from the PG (i.e like the fender elite, but reversed) without fear of bad phasing issues?

    Thank you for your time!
  2. SGD Lutherie

    SGD Lutherie Supporting Member

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    You wont get any phase issues if you reverse the P at the bridge.

    I had a P with two P pickups (the bridge being non reversed) and I think they sound pretty cool. It's a more usable tone than a P/J IMO.
  3. Texan

    Texan 667 Neighbor of the Beast. Supporting Member

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    The Dual P is my favorite...This gave the Peavey TL-6 MONSTER tone.

    Much better than a P/J
  4. NoisyFroggy

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    Thanks David!

    What I like about a jazz bass when both PUs are dimed is the smoothness that you get with the slight phase cancellation and loss of mids (as I see/hear it, though I might not be using the correct words).

    Would it be possible to approximate this effect with a P/P set-up, and, if so, how would you guys locate the bridge PU: reversed? non-reversed? As close to the pickgard as possible? closer to the bridge?
  5. NoisyFroggy

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    Wow.

    That's beauty!
  6. Teacher

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    How so, would you say?
  7. walterw

    walterw Supportive Fender Gold Supporting Member

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    meh, the P/P thing always looked cooler than it sounded to me.
  8. NoisyFroggy

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    Reversed/reversed? Mirrored? "regular" (non reversed / non reversed)?
    What did you find lacking?

    From the vids I have watched, notably as regards Fender Elites II, the bridge PU can sound a bit too brittle and strident, which I would attribute to the DG portion being too close to the bridge for comfort, hence the appeal for a reversed bridge PU at least.

    If I reverse the bridge PU and puts its DG portion right against the pickguard I guess this PU might be useful on its own (Stingray-ish?) (emphasis on "ish" ;)).

    In doing so I just do not want to end up with the middle setting (both PUs full on) being useless due to phase cancellation issues.

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