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Build: OpAmpBuffer

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by EricssonB, Jan 22, 2014.


  1. EricssonB

    EricssonB Supporting Member

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    This version was a mod to a different version. If I ever get around to updating it, I'll make the footprint much smaller.
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    I'm paranoid of the capacitance and tone suck of me >25' cable, passive instruments, and signal chain.

    Found this little guy through browsing and slapped it onto a digital perfboard (care to proofread the schematic-to-board conversion, in case I missed something?). I'll be ordering a plastic enclosure and having it attach to the strap of whatever passive instrument I'm using.

    High input/low output impedance is the way to go and that's provided by this type of opamp configuration, right? Comments and critiques are greatly appreciated. I'll post progress as I build.


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    PASSIVE>---6"--->BUFFER>-----Like a billion feet of cable----->SIGNALCHAIN>--->AMP
     
  2. boomertech

    boomertech Gold Supporting Member

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    You shouldn’t leave the unused amp’s input terminals floating.

    Why not use a low current single channel op-amp? It could be much more efficient depending on the op-amp chosen.

    -Frank
     
  3. EricssonB

    EricssonB Supporting Member

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    Design called for TL072, which I happen to have about two dozen of; I don't have any single channel ICs on hand. I have almost all parts on hand, save for the case and 1/4" jacks.

    Opens up the question of current draw, considering this will be on battery power. I'll look into that, although this project isn't entirely critical.
     
  4. johnk_10

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    for the unused amp, most people tie the input of it (pin 5) to ground and short the output and - (pins 6&7).
     
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  6. EricssonB

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    Does that reduce current draw?

    Updated to show single and dual opamp designs, and shorted amp pins. Left the IC model out, so that the builder can design to taste.

    I'll be looking to balance power efficiency and sound transparency. There's a lot of debate over that.
     
  7. boomertech

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    Terminating the inputs as John said will prevent the unused op-amp from oscillating which can eat A LOT of current. And because the two op-amps are in the same package and use common power connections, there is a problem with channel crosstalk if one is oscillating.

    Even with the unused op-amp terminated properly it is still burning battery current. A 072 has approx. 1.5 – 2.5mA idle per amp. A 062 has approx 200 – 250uA idle per amp.

    You are building a very simple unity-gain buffer, so I wouldn’t worry too much about transparency. Most modern op-amps have distortion numbers that are difficult to measure.

    -Frank
     
  8. EricssonB

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    That's good to know. I was just reading into the data sheet, and it lists current per amp. May as well save on batteries. I can afford to buy a few single opamps.

    (TB is pretty rad in that I can pose questions and occasionally get responses from industry professionals, like the Designer/Owner of FEA Labs. Thanks!)
     
  9. EricssonB

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    DPDT switch to save battery and bypass the circuit. Momentary button to short the signal to ground; kill switch, if you will. Why not.

    ...guess I'll just hang out until the single opamps, enclosures, and 1/4" jacks show up...

    :meh:
     
  10. EricssonB

    EricssonB Supporting Member

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    So, I got this thing wired up and put in line.

    It works, but does the opposite of what its intended to do: enhances tone suck and
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  11. boomertech

    boomertech Gold Supporting Member

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    What opamp did you use?

    -Frank
     
  12. EricssonB

    EricssonB Supporting Member

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    I went with the single design: TL071CP from Tayda. Tried two, both to the same effect.

    Since I made two and the result is identical, I'm assuming there's a fundamental flaw in the design.
     
  13. Lapicide

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    Try increasing C2 to 0.1uF see what happens.
     
  14. boomertech

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    Do you have the input and output signal grounds connected to the negative on the battery?

    -Frank
     
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    boomertech Gold Supporting Member

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    100nF = 0.1uF

    As drawn the input corner freq is 1.6Hz.

    -Frank
     
  16. EricssonB

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    Input and output grounds are connective negative terminal.

    1.6Hz would seem acceptable, assuming it's passing everything above that.

    I'm compulsive about LEDs: added a 1k resistor and orange 3mm before the +V input, just to show that it's on. Would that cause any adverse effect? I'd troubleshoot by taking that out, but I've put everything away for the night, and it's never been a problem in the past.
     
  17. boomertech

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    It is 1.6Hz, so the cap is more than adequate.

    Pins 1 & 5 on the 071 are for nulling offset, so make sure that they are left open. Also if you have a voltmeter you should read half of the battery voltage on pins 2, 3 and 6.

    -Frank
     
  18. boomertech

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    Also, with your layout with the dual opamp you have the unused + input tied to battery ground. With the single supply it would be better to connect the + input (pin 5) of the unused opamp to Vbias (the junction of R1 and R2).

    -Frank
     
  19. EricssonB

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    For the sake of "I'm not actually building the dual opamp design" I'll omit them from the discussion.

    I'll grab a multimeter and check back in.
     
  20. EricssonB

    EricssonB Supporting Member

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    Well now that I've had some time to look at it, my theory that I'm an idiot has been revalidated:
    The dual opamp and single opamp circuits aren't the same; it's not as simple as removing half of the opamp from the circuit.

    In other news: I plotted the single opamp circuit onto the board, making as few changes as possible so I only have to shuffle a few parts around. I'll check back in shortly.

    **OP UPDATED**
     
  21. icecycle66

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    That graphic at the top is great.
     

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