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Calling all Dominants players...

Discussion in 'Strings [DB]' started by crgaston, Nov 30, 2013.

  1. crgaston

    crgaston

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    I'd like to try to put together a collection of data about Dominants to determine if a particular bass is likely to be one that will experience breakage. The data points I'm wondering about are as follows.

    1. Have you experienced breakage?
    2. After how long? (if applicable)
    3. What type of bass were they on?
    4. Playing string length?
    5. Length from tailpiece to tuning pegs?
    6. Action height?
    7. How hard do you tend to play?

    I'm hoping we can see some trends that will take some of the guesswork and risk out of trying them out. Thanks!
  2. Chris Fitzgerald

    Chris Fitzgerald Student of Life Administrator

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    1. Have you experienced breakage? Yes
    2. After how long? (if applicable) 2 years or so
    3. What type of bass were they on? New Standard LaScala
    4. Playing string length? 41.5
    5. Length from tailpiece to tuning pegs? No idea
    6. Action height? 7-10mm, G to E
    7. How hard do you tend to play? Very hard

    One of the strings that broke was an E string that got detuned repeatedly. The other, on my office bass, had been on and off the bass, and actually broke while someone else was playing it (they borrowed it for a gig and broke the D string).
  3. mcarrillomusic

    mcarrillomusic

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    1. Have you experienced breakage? Yes, several times. 4 or 5 strings, last one a D string 2 weeks ago.
    2. After how long? (if applicable) less than one year in some cases. Last time, D string broke only after about 1 week of being on the bass.
    3. What type of bass were they on? New Standard Cleveland
    4. Playing string length? 42''
    5. Length from tailpiece to tuning pegs? No idea
    6. Action height? Fairly low
    7. How hard do you tend to play? Not that hard

    Maybe you could add another question that Thomastik always refers to when dealing with breakage:

    8. Was the metal part of the string wrapped around the tuner when the string broke? my answer is No

    I even recently experienced with installing the string in different tuners to make sure the metal was never touching. D string still broke.
    Best of luck with this. I hope we can get some answers!
  4. MrSidecar

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    1. No.
    2.--
    3. Hungarian flatback, approx. mid-to late 1800s
    4. 104.5cm / 41.15 inches
    5. Don't know
    6. 6-9mm g to e, approx. Never checked, though
    7. from "not that hard" to pretty dang hard, mostly towards the harder end.

    I'd like to add

    -I play arco and pizz,
    -I detuned the e-string a couple of times down to d and up again, and
    -the whole set has been off the bass twice for a repair and fingerboard job. Set is a little over 13 months old.

    Good luck. It seems like I have experienced the "statistical oddity".

    Best
    Sidecar
  5. Fr3nch

    Fr3nch

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    1. Have you experienced breakage? NO
    2. After how long? (if applicable) N/A
    3. What type of bass were they on? SLAPKING
    4. Playing string length? 42"1/4 (107.3mm)
    5. Length from tailpiece to tuning pegs? No Idea
    6. Action height? 6mm
    7. How hard do you tend to play? Slap 80% of the time

    I play a Dominant Solo set I bought back in 2007.
    It's a bumped set (tuned in E-A-D-G)
  6. drurb

    drurb Oracle, Ancient Order of Rass Hattur; Mem. #1, EPC Supporting Member

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    1. Have you experienced breakage? Yes
    2. After how long? (if applicable) As short as a month or so
    3. What type of bass were they on? Upton Concert
    4. Playing string length? 41.5"
    5. Length from tailpiece to tuning pegs? No idea
    6. Action height? 6-7 mm at G; 10+ mm at E
    7. How hard do you tend to play? Medium, I'd say

    I've always had breakage occur in the pegbox, sometimes in the silk. Occurred even with very careful installation and lubrication of bridge and nut slots.
  7. ToR-Tu-Ra

    ToR-Tu-Ra

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    1. Have you experienced breakage? -Yes. D string.
    2. After how long? (if applicable) -less than 30 minutes, strings were barely settling.
    3. What type of bass were they on? Strunal 5/20
    4. Playing string length? 110cm - 43 in.
    5. Length from tailpiece to tuning pegs? -No idea
    6. Action height? around 8-10 mm
    7. How hard do you tend to play? I guess you could call me heavy handed, but I don't think it would apply, since I barely played the strings.
  8. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U Supporting Member

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    Would the location of the break be important?
  9. crgaston

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    Guys, thanks for the input so far! Phil, yes the location would be significant.
  10. mcarrillomusic

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    My strings always broke at the same point: in the pegbox, between the end of the silk and the nut
  11. Tommy el Gato

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    1. Have you experienced breakage? Yes
    1(A) location of break: where the string meets the peg, about 11 cm into the silk area.
    2. After how long? (if applicable) 7 months
    3. What type of bass were they on? Shen SB150
    4. Playing string length? 3/4
    5. Length from tailpiece to tuning pegs? yar
    6. String height? 8-12 mm
    7. How hard do you tend to play? Pretty hard. Not sure if I play as hard as Chris Fitzgerald or not, but pretty hard.

    I've got a new D string on right now. Still a Dominant. The new one has fewer wraps around the peg. For what it's worth, mine broke during tune up after I had taken a month-long hiatus from the bass.
  12. King Chris

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    I really want to try these but my d has to ride over my g peg. Scares me :(
  13. MrSidecar

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    Bumping up and summing up-

    Of the Dominant users who answered, 5 had breakage, 2 haven't. While that shows that breakage is more the norm than rather than the exception, something else is interesting: 7 users on all of talkbass?? Can I believe this? Is Dominant really that much of a minority choice? Let's hope they don't discontinue them...

    Especially since mine are slowly approaching the 1.5 year mark without a single issue, and in full possession of their sonic awesomeness.

    Best
    Sidecar
  14. drurb

    drurb Oracle, Ancient Order of Rass Hattur; Mem. #1, EPC Supporting Member

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    Maybe the bump will get more responses. I think they're fantastic strings. In fact, in terms of both sound and feel, they were my favorite. I wish I didn't have the breakage issues.
  15. foilracer

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    Only today did I see this topic. I doubt many players would search for it. DOMINANTS

    1. Have you experienced breakage? Yes D and G
    2. After how long? about 6 months of use
    3. What kind of bass were they on? late 19th century bass
    4. Playing string length? 43"
    5. Length from tailpiece to pegs? almost too long
    6. Action height? medium/arco
    7. How hard do you tend to play? 90% arco

    Great strings and I didn't think I would have a breakage problem...but I did.
  16. eerbrev

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    1. Have you experienced breakage? Yes, a few times

    2. After how long? Once was after a day, once was after 3 months or so. Both occurred overnight during extreme humidity swings (damp to dry).

    3. What type of bass were they on? first was on a pre-war German carved bass, second event was on a CCB that's my spare bass.

    4. Playing string length? both around 41.5"

    5. Length from tailpiece to tuning pegs? FIFK, i don't even own the german anymore.

    6. Action height? Relatively high

    7. How hard do you tend to play? very hard, but breakage didn't occur during playing.

    Notes:
    I have had dominants on both my Upton Op. 74 fully carved Bostonian (41" string length, top 2 strings, 4ths, 4ths solo, and 5ths) and my new 5 string Brescian ( A and D strings) without issue.

    On the op. 74, the 1st string (G or A depending on tuning) was closest to the nut, and had metal winding over the peg, appox 1.5 turns(?) maybe more.

    I've also used the Dominant F# string (IV solo) tuned up to a G (III 5ths) without issue, and have known several other people who have done the same with similar results.

    Cheers.
  17. Phil Smith

    Phil Smith Mr Sumisu 2 U Supporting Member

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    Just wanted to report that I haven't broken a string yet. :D
  18. Tommy el Gato

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    This is especially good to hear. I've been experimenting with 5ths tuning and, when all the appropriate set-up work is done I'd like ot be able to use an all-Dominants set up. The orch III string tuned down to G is ok, but I'd like more tension. Tuning a Dominant F# up a half-step scares me, but I like the idea. It seems to me that's the only thing that should be at issue because none of my current dominants have metal on the peg. But then again, I'm not entirely sure where the silks on the Dominant low C end. If it's in the same location as all the other strings, that could be a deal-breaker because I will most certainly have metal on the peg. For what it's worth, I'm yet to use a dominant E.
  19. eerbrev

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    I'd recommend the Spiro C, but I know someone in Cali uses a low C Dominant, and I don't think he's had any issues in particular.
  20. Monkey

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    1. Have you experienced breakage? No
    2. After how long? (if applicable)
    3. What type of bass were they on? Two different Kays
    4. Playing string length? 42"
    5. Length from tailpiece to tuning pegs? About 50.5" to first peg
    6. Action height? 6-9 mm
    7. How hard do you tend to play? Medium

    Most of my gigging is on electric fretless, but practice mostly on acoustic (with ocassional gigs). I play about 50/50 arco/pizz. I had heard about the breakage issues before I bought the strings, so I was very careful when installing them and made sure I didn't have any rubbing against the cheeks. I love the sound, especially arco.

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