As I was reading the "Boy, do I suck!" thread by JimmyM a couple of thoughts came to mind, which I thought merited its own thread: 1. I once read a story a few years ago about Eric Johnson, he of Cliffs Of Dover fame. The guy was an absolute playing fool for most of his life, with multihour practice sessions just about every day since he started playing guitar. Consequently, he has chops few humans will ever have, but he did paid a price, it cost him his marriage. Which leads to my second thought: 2. The percentage of bass players that are of the Wooten/Jaco/Berlin caliber is extremely small. The vast, vast majority of us will always be in the "in the pocket/serve the song" camp. Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with developing some chops, but almost none of us will be in the top elite group. The requirements to be in that group is a price almost all of us are unwilling to make, including myself. So having said that, it might make more sense to break out the old metronome or drum machine, and working on developing good basslines and a good feeling of time. That will probably serve us better in the long run. Myself, I'm almost 58. If it would take me 20 years to develop Jeff Berlin chops, then I'd be 78 by the time I got there. Not terribly realistic! I think striving to reach the top level of bass playing is more a young man's game, especially one with few responsibilities so he has the time to devote himself to reaching the top tier. Thoughts?