chord changes for Isley's Dinner and a Movie

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  1. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

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    A buddy asked me to fill in for a rehearsal of his soul band. One tune on the list is Ronald Isley's Dinner and a Movie.

    Well, I'm having a bit of trouble hearing the chord changes. Sounds like they gated a keyboard bass with the kick, or maybe they used a patch with an indefinite pitch..?

    Anyhow, I don't often have much trouble learning pop and rnb material, but the mix of this tune is throwing me.

    Any help much appreciated!
     
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    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

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    Know of a sheet music site that might have it..?
     
  3. MalcolmAmos

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    Not ignoring you....

    Did not find a chord chart, however in several places the Internet mentioned the song will use "minor chords in a demanding chord progression".

    If the progression is that demanding I would think the band would have a chart they use for this song. Check with the lead guitar or your buddy.

    Good luck.
     
  4. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

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    Thanks for posting, good buddy!

    It's the mix that's throwing me the curve. There just isn't much of a bass part in it, so there's the upper parts in the chords (juicy! nice and jazzy) only.

    I can cop a bass line I can hear (my ear's decent), but in this case I'm gonna have to figure out a bass part for a tune that doesn't really have one.
     
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  6. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

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    Hmn. Dunno 'bout the "minor chords in a demanding progression" on the 'Net...

    The vocal melody sounds like Bb major to me. Best I can figure the changes (trying to catch the keyboard and backing vocal parts) is Ebmaj7 Dm7 Fmaj7 Emaj7.

    That would make sense to me in Bb major: IV, iii, V(altered), bV (chromatic passing back to the start of the phrase). And the bridge goes to the relative minor via IV iii, vi.

    Whaddaya figure?
     
  7. megafiddle

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    That's a tough one. Hard to hear the bass. I think I can get the chords though.

    It sounds like it's in F.

    A muted F in the bass seems to work throughout the entire verse also.

    It seems to start out on a Bb, but I hear it resolving to an F.

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  8. megafiddle

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    Try this for intro and 1st verse:

    Ebmaj7 Dm7 Fmaj7 G#m7

    all with an F in the bass

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  9. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

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    Thanks! I'll try that, too.

    Pretty wild. You know the way Bill Evans would comp with high-tension chords in the middle of the keyboard, but not put a root on the bottom of the voicing--kinda float over the bassline? So imagine the bass track muted. It's like that.

    Eh, the bridge is straight ahead, anyway...
     
  10. megafiddle

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    I originally used a guitar for the chords.

    I unpacked my M-Audio keyboard, and after an hour of trying to get some sound out of my setup,
    I think I can say your chords are pretty much dead on. What I get differs only by a single note in
    a single chord, your Emaj7.

    I called it a G#m7; it should be called Abm7 I think.
    So Ebmaj7 Dm7 Fmaj7 Abm7

    The intro on a keyboard, all voiced close (not a low bass note):

    Ebmaj7 - Eb G Bb D

    Dm7 - D F A C

    Fmaj7 - F A C E

    Abm7 - Gb Ab B Eb

    (your Emaj7)

    Emaj7 - E Ab B Eb

    Also, I connected the computer to the stereo along with the keyboard/synth.
    (I was listening to the song on youtube)

    Listening again, I think the "bass" is more than just an F note throughout.

    What I now hear:

    Ebmaj7 / Bb bass note

    Dm7 / A bass note

    Fmaj7 / F bass note

    Abm7 / F bass note

    The chords from the intro, which I think remain the same in the verse, take on a whole new sound
    with those bass notes. Possibly the roots are left out on the keyboard during the singing, also. May
    just be the upper 3 notes.

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  11. vin*tone

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    Just get a set of fairy bells and play those through this tune.
     
  12. Zootsuitbass

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    I like

    Ebmaj7/C
    Dmin /C

    FMaj7
    Emaj /??? Not sure on this.. definitely chromatic but..... I'm going to try in the morning
     
  13. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

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    Thanks, all, for the posts!

    It's an interesting ear training challenge, I figure. :cool:
     

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