1. Welcome to TalkBass 2014! If you're new here, we just went through a major site upgrade. Please post all concerns and bugs to the Forum Usage Issues forum. We will be monitoring that forum. Thank you for all of your feedback.

    The TB Android app is working, you may need to uninstall/reinstall. The iPhone app is still pending approval by Apple. If you haven't yet, try using your mobile browser - TalkBass is responsive to any screen size.

    Please read the TalkBass 2014 FAQ for lots of great info on the new software.

chord changes for Isley's Dinner and a Movie

Discussion in 'General Instruction [BG]' started by Ewo, Sep 18, 2013.

  1. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2008
    Likes Received:
    2
    Mods, please move if this is the wrong forum.


    A buddy asked me to fill in for a rehearsal of his soul band. One tune on the list is Ronald Isley's Dinner and a Movie.

    Well, I'm having a bit of trouble hearing the chord changes. Sounds like they gated a keyboard bass with the kick, or maybe they used a patch with an indefinite pitch..?

    Anyhow, I don't often have much trouble learning pop and rnb material, but the mix of this tune is throwing me.

    Any help much appreciated!
  2. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2008
    Likes Received:
    2
    Know of a sheet music site that might have it..?
  3. MalcolmAmos

    MalcolmAmos Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2009
    Likes Received:
    4
    Not ignoring you....

    Did not find a chord chart, however in several places the Internet mentioned the song will use "minor chords in a demanding chord progression".

    If the progression is that demanding I would think the band would have a chart they use for this song. Check with the lead guitar or your buddy.

    Good luck.
  4. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2008
    Likes Received:
    2
    Thanks for posting, good buddy!

    It's the mix that's throwing me the curve. There just isn't much of a bass part in it, so there's the upper parts in the chords (juicy! nice and jazzy) only.

    I can cop a bass line I can hear (my ear's decent), but in this case I'm gonna have to figure out a bass part for a tune that doesn't really have one.
  5. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2008
    Likes Received:
    2
    Hmn. Dunno 'bout the "minor chords in a demanding progression" on the 'Net...

    The vocal melody sounds like Bb major to me. Best I can figure the changes (trying to catch the keyboard and backing vocal parts) is Ebmaj7 Dm7 Fmaj7 Emaj7.

    That would make sense to me in Bb major: IV, iii, V(altered), bV (chromatic passing back to the start of the phrase). And the bridge goes to the relative minor via IV iii, vi.

    Whaddaya figure?
  6. megafiddle

    megafiddle

    Joined:
    May 25, 2011
    Likes Received:
    1
    That's a tough one. Hard to hear the bass. I think I can get the chords though.

    It sounds like it's in F.

    A muted F in the bass seems to work throughout the entire verse also.

    It seems to start out on a Bb, but I hear it resolving to an F.

    ...
  7. megafiddle

    megafiddle

    Joined:
    May 25, 2011
    Likes Received:
    1
    Try this for intro and 1st verse:

    Ebmaj7 Dm7 Fmaj7 G#m7

    all with an F in the bass

    ...
  8. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2008
    Likes Received:
    2
    Thanks! I'll try that, too.

    Pretty wild. You know the way Bill Evans would comp with high-tension chords in the middle of the keyboard, but not put a root on the bottom of the voicing--kinda float over the bassline? So imagine the bass track muted. It's like that.

    Eh, the bridge is straight ahead, anyway...
  9. megafiddle

    megafiddle

    Joined:
    May 25, 2011
    Likes Received:
    1
    I originally used a guitar for the chords.

    I unpacked my M-Audio keyboard, and after an hour of trying to get some sound out of my setup,
    I think I can say your chords are pretty much dead on. What I get differs only by a single note in
    a single chord, your Emaj7.

    I called it a G#m7; it should be called Abm7 I think.
    So Ebmaj7 Dm7 Fmaj7 Abm7

    The intro on a keyboard, all voiced close (not a low bass note):

    Ebmaj7 - Eb G Bb D

    Dm7 - D F A C

    Fmaj7 - F A C E

    Abm7 - Gb Ab B Eb

    (your Emaj7)

    Emaj7 - E Ab B Eb

    Also, I connected the computer to the stereo along with the keyboard/synth.
    (I was listening to the song on youtube)

    Listening again, I think the "bass" is more than just an F note throughout.

    What I now hear:

    Ebmaj7 / Bb bass note

    Dm7 / A bass note

    Fmaj7 / F bass note

    Abm7 / F bass note

    The chords from the intro, which I think remain the same in the verse, take on a whole new sound
    with those bass notes. Possibly the roots are left out on the keyboard during the singing, also. May
    just be the upper 3 notes.

    ...
  10. vin*tone

    vin*tone Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Likes Received:
    1
    Just get a set of fairy bells and play those through this tune.
  11. Zootsuitbass

    Zootsuitbass

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Likes Received:
    0
    I like

    Ebmaj7/C
    Dmin /C

    FMaj7
    Emaj /??? Not sure on this.. definitely chromatic but..... I'm going to try in the morning
  12. Ewo

    Ewo a/k/a Steve Cooper Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2008
    Likes Received:
    2
    Thanks, all, for the posts!

    It's an interesting ear training challenge, I figure. :cool:

Share This Page