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Do I need an Ampeg 410 or 610?

Discussion in 'Amps [BG]' started by TNCreature, Jun 16, 2012.

  1. TNCreature

    TNCreature Jinkies! Supporting Member

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    I have a pf350 and would like to move up to the pf500.
    I am looking at the svt-410hlf and the svt-610.
    They will both handle the power, but will I gain a noticable difference in sound or volume from the 610 over the 410.

    Currently I am using a B-410hlf and the sound can "knock" a little in the low end if I push it.

    I play 4 and 5 active and passive w/ effects.

    Thanks!
    Mark
  2. JoelFT

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    I have the 610 with a SVT4. I tried the head through the 410, 610, and 810. The 6 moved so much more air than the other two. The only downside is that it is so incredibly heavy.
  3. TNCreature

    TNCreature Jinkies! Supporting Member

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    Right. I will deal with the heft if I will get that much more output. Any noticable difference in sound quality?
  4. greggster59

    greggster59 Supporting Member

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    I can't give you a comparison because it's been a long time since I compared the 410 and 610.
    The 610 produces really good low end without sounding boomy if you cut the bass on your amp a notch or two.
    Like JoelFT said, the 610 moves a lot of air. The way the speakers are ported enable that. It's big and loud but controllable. Great cab.
    The 810 has a sealed design and delivers a tighter, more focused sound.
  5. carl h.

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    Which 410? It makes a difference.
  6. angelopbass

    angelopbass Supporting Member

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    i had the hlf 4x10 cab right next to an 8x10 and the difference in sound was so minimal. sounded like i went from an 8x10 to a 7x10. the 6x10 isnt worth any more in my opinion. for its size and weight, that cab is as good as it gets.
  7. Koog

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    I played an SVT Classic for several years through a variety a cab configurations. A 2X10 with a 15. A 4X10hlf Classic and a 6X10hlf Classic. The 6X10 was overwhelmingly better in terms of tone and power in my opinion. It moved enough air to blow the legs of my Levis....you could feel it right up through the stage floor. Sound was big and punchy, very clear and easy to always be very prominent in the mix with minimal reinforcement.

    The downside for me was the weight and as I have gotten older, I've switched to MarkBass for the lighter weight and it's ability to nearly match Ampeg tone and power.

    I only miss the SVT Classic and the 6X10 occasionally. If I could go back to Ampeg it would definately be the SVT Classic with the 6X10hlf. No question about it.

    Hope this helps.

    Koog
  8. TNCreature

    TNCreature Jinkies! Supporting Member

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    I inquired about the svt (see above)
    Thanks
  9. TNCreature

    TNCreature Jinkies! Supporting Member

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    Koog
    That helps a lot.
    What markbass rig are you using?
    Thanks!
  10. walkerci

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    Save your back and get a Bergantino NV610, if you prefer 10s.

    I A/Bed the Berg NV610 and NV412, and liked the NV412 a little more.
  11. JimmyM

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    There are two SVT 410's, the SVT 410he and the SVT 410hlf. The 410he is more like the sealed 810e with a tweeter, where the SVT 410hlf is more like yours only it handles more power and goes a bit lower. I'd say the SVT 610hlf is more like your current cab only considerably louder, whereas the SVT 410hlf goes even lower and won't get as loud as the 610hlf. The 610hlf is more of a tweener cab for low end between the 810e's rolled off lows and the SVT 410hlf's insane lows.
  12. TNCreature

    TNCreature Jinkies! Supporting Member

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    Thanks jimmy
    That is exactly the info I needed.
    Mark
  13. CL400Peavey

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    +1 to Jimmy's whole comment. There are a few flavors of cabs to look at.

    the 610 hlf is my preferred Ampeg cab. You should go try out all of them to see which one has the tone you are looking for.
  14. Koog

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    MarkBass 102P combo with MarkBass STD102HF cab. Sometimes I add a MarkBass Traveler 102P stage opposite.

    Koog
  15. JC Thunder

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    I realize this is an old thread...

    I recently purchased a Ampeg PF500 amp and Pro Neo 210 cab for smaller stage applications and was so impressed that I now use it for most gigs. It weighs about 50 lbs. and tilts back (comparable to Markbass CMD102P). My 410hlf and SVT CL (which used to tilt MY back) stays parked at the rehearsal house.
  16. Vince Klortho

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    According to Ampeg's specifications, the SVT-410HLF and SVT-610HLF have identical sensitivity and maximum SPL - 98 and 125dB respectively. As you wrote, the -3dB points are 48Hz for the 410 and 53Hz for 610.
  17. JimmyM

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    6 speakers of a certain build get louder than 4 with a similar build, if that's why you brought up the sens and SPL's. And most of us aren't going to be pushing 125db ;) Plus the majority of the wattage goes to amplifying the lows, and the -10db points of each cab are 42hz for the 610 and 28hz for the 410.
  18. Vince Klortho

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    I brought up sensitivity and SPL because you wrote that the 410HLF is not as loud as the 610HLF. According to their specs it is.

    Yes, six speakers will be louder than four of the same type but I do not think they use the same speakers in those for two reasons. First, the 410HLF is rated for 500W which is 125W per speaker and the 610HLF is rated for 600W which is 100W each. Since that is a thermal capacity (as most claim power ratings are) the 610HLF should be rated for 750W at 125W per speaker. Second, the 410HLF has a nominal impedance of 4Ω and the 610HLF is also 4Ω. This implies the 410HLF uses 16Ω speakers and if the 610HLF used 16Ω speakers its nominal impedance would be 2.7Ω, not 4Ω. It appears to me the 410HLF uses 16Ω 125W speakers and the 610HLF uses 24Ω 100W speakers.
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    The (my) 610HLF contains 6Ω 150w speakers.
  20. carbonfold

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    I'm not a fan of the SVT610HLF... Just didn't do if for me and I had one for almost a year.

    At it's size and weight, might as well and get the SVT810... Run you the same price.

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