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drug testing for welfare recipients ?

Discussion in 'Off Topic [BG]' started by Indiana Mike, Feb 18, 2013.


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  1. Indiana Mike

    Indiana Mike

    Nov 18, 2005
    Recently a neighboring county began testing it recipients of county provided aid .

    Test positive and you get zero bennies . You can however continue to receive them if you complete a rehab program and remain drug free.

    Yes ,it includes pot....

    I believe in this for my own reasons and won't go any further than saying I pay a lot of tax . The state is now considering doing the same .

    We have a huge meth problem and prescription drug abuse problem here in this area. If you are able to partake in consumption and can be a self sufficient citizen go for it .

    Don't ride on my back unless you are truly in trouble . I firmly believe in taking care of those in society that really need it .
     
  2. pocketgroove

    pocketgroove

    Jun 28, 2010
    Detroit
    I don't think this thread will stay open long.

    That being said, I can see your point and the value of the idea. I don't have any problem with people who need aid and are trying to better their position in life. However, I know a lot of people who just collect and collect, they don't work, and they don't contribute.

    On the other hand, such extensive drug testing would cost money, as well as inconveniencing those who would test negative anyway. There's no practical way to test everyone, but if you have to choose certain people to test, then there will be some sort of backlash.
     
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  4. Etienned

    Etienned

    Jul 16, 2010
    Montréal
    They should stop to subsidize and offer tax incentives to any corporation that doesn't respect the laws. Way more money to save IMHO.
     
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  7. JimB52

    JimB52 User Gold Supporting Member

    May 24, 2007
    East Coast
    If a parent tests positive and loses benefits, what happens to that persons children? Do they also lose benefits?
     
  8. knumbskull

    knumbskull

    Jul 28, 2007
    UK
    /\/\/\ indeed.

    I think there was a thread about this a while ago... the above point is just one of many complications that might cloud the situation. I guess it's good if they take into account people going into rehab.

    I wonder what the cost/saving balance of such a venture would be. My guess is, 'not profitable', except to the companies doing the testing.
     
  9. Yeah, this will get closed soon-ish.

    I see a good amount of folks at my hospital that some might say abuse the system.
     
  10. MrLenny1

    MrLenny1

    Jan 17, 2009
    N.H.
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    4dog

    Aug 18, 2012
  12. Stinsok

    Stinsok

    Dec 16, 2002
    Central Alabama
    My concern is where benefits are used. I hear things about people using EBT cards at strip clubs, cruise ships, etc.
     
  13. alembicguy

    alembicguy Lone Wolf Miner Supporting Member

    Jan 28, 2007
    Minnesota
    Test them and if they are clean so be it. If they test dirty then deny the benefits for them and as for their children losing benefits because of the patents irresponsible and careless actions so be it. Part of being a parent is doing the right thing for your children. I don't like buying dime bags and meth unknowingly with my tax money!
     
  14. 1958Bassman

    1958Bassman

    Oct 20, 2007
    They're not getting the benefits so they can buy drugs, it's so they can feed, house and clothe themselves & buy what they need to get by.

    I would like to see some kind of requirement to get their GED if they had quit school and get some additional work skills if they have a hard time getting a decent job, too. That would keep recipients from remaining stagnant WRT where they are and what they're capable of doing. Job counceling would be part of my plan, too.
     
  15. DWBass

    DWBass The Funkfather Supporting Member

    Jan 24, 2003
    Newport News, VA via NYC
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    The parents getting tested need to think about that! Can't find or won't look for a job but got money to get high?? Where does that leave the children? In someone else's hands, unfortunately!
     
  16. alembicguy

    alembicguy Lone Wolf Miner Supporting Member

    Jan 28, 2007
    Minnesota
    Agreed!
    Years ago I worked for a company as a maintenance man that remodeled low income housing units. I saw first hand people burning up their welfare checks on drugs,casinos,liquor while their children depended on child support or school programs to keep them clothed and fed. The parents did not care. I've heard it said more than once,"why should I get a job when I get everything for free now".
     
  17. sloasdaylight

    sloasdaylight Banned

    Feb 4, 2009
    Tampa, Florida, US
    If I remember correctly, Florida tried a program like this either statewide or in a few counties municipalities recently, and it wound up costing the state more than it saved.
     
  18. There is currently no punishment, so one does not have to care.
     
  19. Phalex

    Phalex Semper Gumby Supporting Member

    Oct 3, 2006
    G.R. MI
    This whole idea is predicated on the mistaken belief that people are on welfare because they are lazy drug users rather than the idea that times are tough and good people need help from time to time.

    How much additional money is going to be spent on testing the entire welfare population VS the cost savings of removing the 5% or less of recipients that actually drop dirty?

    Congratulations! You just added a whole bunch of new costs to your welfare system!
     
  20. Perhaps it's 5% or less. I've seen more than a few welfare recipients admitted to the hospital as a result of polysubstance abuse.

    Take away their benefits and the government ends up still picking up the hospital tab, anyway.
     
  21. sloasdaylight

    sloasdaylight Banned

    Feb 4, 2009
    Tampa, Florida, US
    This.

    Like with everything else particularly attention grabbing minorities* will skew the public perception of the whole. Similarly to how many would like to think Alex Jones is an accurate portrayal of gun rights activists, and Dianne Feinstein is an accurate portrayal of anti-gun folks. There are many more examples of this that could be cited, but I think my meaning is clear. I don't believe that the majority of welfare recipients are nothing more than life long drug users abusing the system, and for that reason I don't think drug testing welfare recipients will save more money than it will cost. I think in certain areas that behavior may be prevalent, so testing recipients from those areas could be warranted, but then you're opening a whole different can of worms that I'm not going to get into.

    Like I said earlier, if it winds up saving the state/municipality money, then I'm all for it, but if you do it for a few months or whatever, and you wind up with a net loss, it's time to stop the policy, since it's not doing what you wanted it to do. A better way to handle the situation is to prevent those on EBT to take out more than so much money per week in cash of their card. My Ex's ex-husband, who lost his job and is on government assistance says that the EBT card functions essentially just like a debit card, and you can get cash back from it as long as there's got money loaded into the card.


    *minorities here obviously means the actual definition, meaning a small percentage of the population, so no one get their panties in a bunch.
     



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