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Electro-Harmonix Enigma Q-Balls vs. Source Audio Envelope Filter

Discussion in 'Effects [BG]' started by Leedleleedlele, Mar 31, 2014.


  1. Leedleleedlele

    Leedleleedlele

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    I think I'm going to get one of these pedals, I don't really know what to look for though. I haven't really sound any comparisons. Which do you like better? Pros? Cons? Reasons? Features?
     
  2. deepestend

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    Subscribed... curious to know myself.
     
  3. Roland GR 88

    Roland GR 88 Gold Supporting Member

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    I have the EHX, not played the Source. The Bass Balls is a great pedal IMO. Sounds as you'd expect, warm and fat with the ability to find the sweet spot in the Q easily. The start/stop points for the sweep are adjustable with the ability to sweep up or down. The only drawback for me is the dist. circuit which to me sounds fizzy and thin.
     
  4. FilterFunk

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    Get the Qballs and get the Dist. trim pot modded to the outside. In LP mode with the Blend on full, the Dist control is also a volume control. The dist, which is more like fuzz, IMO, works beautifully with the filter; not thin or fizzy at all. The only time it sounds thin to me is on BP or HP if you don't have the blend set right or the dist. up enough, which is why it's best to have that control at your fingertips. The dist/filter combo gets synthy for days!

    I have tried the SA BEF. It has a very unique tone, which I would describe as synthetic/elastic, and I don't mean that as a putdown. It's just different. I prefer the Qballs.
     
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  6. johnk_10

    johnk_10 vintage bass nut Supporting Member

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    I have both the enigma qballs and the source audio manta, and IMO, while the qballs is nice (and I like it a lot), the manta is a way better, more versatile, and more controllable/tweakable envelope filter.
     
  7. Leedleleedlele

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    Everytime i've heard a manta they've been playing mainly dubstep, is it good for more?
     
  8. johnk_10

    johnk_10 vintage bass nut Supporting Member

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    IMO, it'll do anything that any other envelope pedal can do and more. so, yes.
     
  9. Leedleleedlele

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    So does the manta have any cons over the qballs? Sounding, as FilterFunk put it,."Synthetic/elastic" I like synthy, but I don't think I'd use it that often
     
  10. deepestend

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    That's the key with these kinds of pedals. There are all kinds of cool things that they can do, but what will you actually use as part of your tone palette on a regular basis?
     
  11. Leedleleedlele

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    I guess it depends on the kind of music you play
     
  12. deepestend

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  13. rsmith601

    rsmith601 Gold Supporting Member

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    Just to be clear. The Manta has 12 different filter sounds. It has 8 different distortion types. All of those can be mixed and matched.

    We generally show off that it can sound synthy as one of many options, because those sounds are really difficult to create with one single pedal. I will let other respond to the question of whether it can cover more straight forward envelope filter tones, but I can say for certain that has always been the prime objective in our design process.

    Manta is our 3rd generation BEF.
     
  14. johnk_10

    johnk_10 vintage bass nut Supporting Member

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    I made a quick clip of the manta a little while ago with just a few settings out of the 100's that it's capable of:

     
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  15. Leedleleedlele

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    I'll go check it out johnk_10, and thanks rsmith601
     
  16. WaldoNova

    WaldoNova Having fun yet? Supporting Member

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    I used to own the Enigma Qballs and I loved it! I've found that the use of envelope filters, for me anyways, are so song specific. Tempo changes make a huge difference on how they sound and how I want them to sound. The use of the Manta, with the Hub, makes it the perfect filter for me. I can use a different setting on each part of each song with a stomp of my midi controller. Very convenient to say the least. The built in drive can achieve some very cool results as can feeding it different fuzzes and distortions. IMHO you can't go wrong with either filter they're both great!!!
     
  17. Leedleleedlele

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    I think I'm going for the Manta... any final persuasions?
     
  18. Bassgeer

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    SA > EHX. 'Nuff said
     
  19. johnk_10

    johnk_10 vintage bass nut Supporting Member

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    IMO, that's the best decision.
     
  20. LSMFT6

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    +1 for the Manta. I've had a QBalls, BEF Pro and a Manta, the Manta is what I stuck with.
    And yes it's great for things other than synth/dubstep sounds; I avoid both like the plague and the Manta still is my top pick.
     
  21. Leedleleedlele

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    Thanks everyone! Time to go order!!!
     

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