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Flats 040 to an issued scale PBass

Discussion in 'Strings [BG]' started by lopesraphael, Dec 6, 2013.


  1. lopesraphael

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    Hello, guys.

    I got a Pbass which has a problem on that large piece of metal inside its neck (i don't know how to say that in English).

    So due to this fact, I want/need to install a set of strings with different gauges. I got GHS boomers 045, and Im interested in flats but... 040 flats in order no to push the bass' neck harder than it can handle.

    What do u guys think of it? Much difference from 040 to 045? Weight, sounding etc?

    Thank u in advance.
     
  2. Jon Moody

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    There will be, given that a flatwound string is a bit more "dense" (given the ribbon wire used in the string making process is flat and sits better, over the roundwound string) so a .040 will have more tension than the same gauge in a roundwound.

    There will be a definite tonal change from nickel roundwound strings to flatwound strings.
     
  3. lopesraphael

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    Right, but considering im actually 045 gauges, a 040 flat would be even heavier?
     
  4. mrb327

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    045 sets will have more tension and cause more neck bow.

    Is the truss rod broken, or not working?
     
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  6. lopesraphael

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    Truss rod is partially wasted, so it does not work well.

    So 040 flat gauge tends to be heavier than a 045 standard round gauge?
     
  7. lopesraphael

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    And if i might, there would be much tonal difference between the 040 and 045 flats?
     
  8. Jon Moody

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    Depending on company, a .045 roundwound can have the same/less tension than a .040 flatwound.


    Yes. The gauge is just the FINISHED size of the string. Flat ribbon wire (used in flatwound strings) sits more flush on the core wire, allowing less "air" in between the wraps and creating a denser string at the same gauge as a comparable roundwound.


    That will be slight, and is going to come down to personal preference. I use a .045 G string, because the heavier string sits better tonally with everything else.
     
  9. lopesraphael

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    So flats are not indicated to me due to the truss rod issue?

    Disappointed. Really. =/
     
  10. RCCollins

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    You thought you could switch to high tension strings with a bad truss rod?

    Disappointed. Really.
     
  11. lopesraphael

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    First, i considered 040 in order to avoid this overtension. That's why i asked so many questions about it.

    If i knew about flats i would not have asked.

    If u can't help then don't judge.

    Thanks.
     
  12. TheEmptyCell

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    Your best course of action is to either have your truss rod repaired, replace the neck, or replace the bass.

    Usually, when a truss rod is broken, it will not put any back bow on the neck, so the string action will be very high. You would not want to put even heavier, higher tension strings on a neck with high action.
     
  13. mickster2

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    To answer your question, I think that .040 flatwounds will be roughly equivalent in tension to a set of .045 roundwounds. Having said that, tensions do vary between brands. The TI Jazz flats have a .043 G but are very low tension. If you're not able to fix the truss, I'd suggest trying these if you are trying to minimise the tension placed on the truss rod.

    hth
     
  14. lopesraphael

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    Its been holding the neck back without bowing, at least nothing too much, but to get it perfectly adjusted with very low action, heavier strings would be a problem.

    I'll really consider these options, Mr. Cell.
     
  15. lopesraphael

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    That's exactly what i was looking for.
     
  16. lopesraphael

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    Do you guys suggest any round that is not a hell of brite?
     
  17. hotbass57

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    Most new strings are bright out of the box. You could look at nickles vs steel or a coated string. DR has both. Rotosound also have nice nickle strings.
     
  18. tjh

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    "Truss rod is partially wasted, so it does not work well. "

    "Its been holding the neck back without bowing, at least nothing too much, but to get it perfectly adjusted with very low action, heavier strings would be a problem."

    I understand there is a communication issue, but these comments sound like the truss rod is working ?? ... truss rods dont 'partially' go bad, they either break, or reach maximum adjustment, or are frozen and will not turn .. or, they are working ..

    .. what kind of bass is this? .. and what does the neck look like when unstrung? (up bow, back bow, straight)

    ...there is a possibility to add 'washers' under a truss rod nut to obtain an additional turn or two if it is maxxed, and if a neck has had a severe 'up bow' for some time the wood can have developed a bit of a memory, and a neck can be placed in a fixture under tension (slight back bow) to help reduce that memory as well ....
     
  19. lopesraphael

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    Right. Let me try to explain myself.

    It's a Fender MIM which truss has been adjusted with some sort of wrench that did not exactly matched its dimensions.

    In other words, half truss rod is dead since the damn' wrong wrench wasted it.

    And I don't really know if the truss it self along the neck is pretty ok. What ends up happening is that it's reaching almost maximum adjustment and there's still a little up bow.

    Thank you for ALL this attention!
     
  20. tjh

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    You can replace the nut with a new one, does it seem like it will grip to back it out? should be 3/16" allen ... also, once you have the old one out, you can slide a few washers on the threaded rod prior to installing the new nut to give it a few more turns ... it may help to 'assist' the neck forward ever so slightly while trying to unscrew the old nut, it takes the pressure off of it and may help to back it out ... by all means, any adjustments you make, I would make them without any string tension .. others may say you dont need to, but it is cheap insurance in the case of an ailing nut ... from your description, truss rod seems fine, nut and range of adjustment is your issue, both may be able to be fixed ...
     
  21. lopesraphael

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    These "washers" you say means what exactly?
     

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