1. Welcome to TalkBass 2014! If you're new here, we just went through a major site upgrade. Please post all concerns and bugs to the Forum Usage Issues forum. We will be monitoring that forum. Thank you for all of your feedback.

    The TB Android app is working, you may need to uninstall/reinstall. The iPhone app is now updated and should work after you upgrade. TalkBass is responsive to any screen size, so we recommend using your mobile browser for full functionality.

    Please read the TalkBass 2014 FAQ for lots of great info on the new software.

Fret buzz w/pro musicians...

Discussion in 'Hardware, Setup & Repair [BG]' started by xhawk5, Feb 4, 2014.

  1. xhawk5

    xhawk5 Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2007
    Likes Received:
    1
    Why do pro musicians have their basses set-up like this? Listen to the fret buzz, that **** would drive me crazy, and it does! No wonder I'm a freak when it comes to set-ups. And there's a hundred more bassists like this.
    I can still get buzz-free with most basses I buy. I try to set my action at 1mm-1.3mm @ 12th fret 1st string, up to 2mm on 5th string. I think 1mm is damn good IMO.

    Example #1:



    What do you think?
    Does YOUR bass buzz, like this?
    Why?
  2. lz4005

    lz4005

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2013
    Likes Received:
    8
    What's his name likes how it sounds.

    I think it sounds good. I like my basses to have some buzz when I dig in harder than usual with my right hand. Not as much as in that recording, but it's like having a distortion pedal without using a distortion pedal.
  3. GK Growl

    GK Growl

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    Likes Received:
    0
    Are you serious? It's rock music for Christ's sake! Robert Deleo is also far from the worst example of a "pro" whose isolated tracks have buzzing in them. Some of us actually prefer that sound (obviously I am one) because to our ears, it gives some grit and character to the tone. How about Geddy Lee and Chris Squire? There's buzzing in the final mix!! I can't hear the buzz in the final mix of that STP song.
  4. Precision101

    Precision101

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2013
    Likes Received:
    0
    Like billy Sheehan said- fret buzz is natural distortion. Listen to a lot of rush, yes, iron maiden, billy Sheehan bass tracks. (It's those damn rotos) Also dream theater tracks as well. Nothing but buzz. He specifically lowers his action to get that aggressive sound. Crazy buzz in the final mix. In my opinion it give the bass character and personality to the music. The bass is a noisy instrument. Why not enhance it?

    Peace.
  5. Jefff

    Jefff

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2013
    Likes Received:
    7
    If you look to the right on that link you will see the isolated bass on "Whole lotta love"


    Quite similar.
  6. Geri O

    Geri O

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2013
    Likes Received:
    4
  7. Precision101

    Precision101

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2013
    Likes Received:
    0

    I love the roundabout isolated bass.
  8. Duckwater

    Duckwater

    Joined:
    May 10, 2010
    Likes Received:
    0
    Sounds like he's digging in quite a bit to purposely get that tone and it's perfect for the song imo, I actually get a lot more buzz when I dig in hard but when I play softly there is little to none. Personally I feel limited if I can't get some buzz and noise out of a bass when I want it.
  9. makanudo

    makanudo

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2008
    Likes Received:
    0
    Don't ever listen to my playing then. Extreme attack on a low action Ibanez Soundgear neck and I might give you a heart attack.



    That's me playing some M3t0lz.. feel free to tell me how horrible I am.. it serves as motivation :D
  10. Frohman

    Frohman

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2009
    Likes Received:
    0
    Remember that band music often is a lot more than just bass. In the complete mix, it might sound very different than an isolated bass track does. In rock songs like this I'd always want fretbuzz, especially in bands larger than trios and bands that use a lot of dropped tunings and so on. And the best thing is when you can do both on the same bass.

    Both of these were recorded the same Fender P.

    Listen at the 2:38 mark, for ultimate buzz:
    http://venner.bandcamp.com/track/lisas-tentakler

    ... and buzzless:
    https://soundcloud.com/lars-ole-okstad/hemlock-trio-unified-field

    Tone is all about interpreting what you want the song to sound like, and imo is the most fun thing to experiment with. There are only 12 notes, but and infinite amount of possibilities in tone - and it makes more of a difference to the mood of the song than the notes. In some settings I do enjoy laying down a really distorted, buzzing bass in a ballad, for example. Something that contrasts the mellowness of the whole thing, giving it my own sinister touch, in a way.
  11. Kmonk

    Kmonk

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2012
    Likes Received:
    4
    Disclosures:
    Endorsing Artist: Fender and Spector, Ampeg, Curt Mangan Strings
    The fact is that many "pro" musicians do not have the best technique.
  12. Frohman

    Frohman

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2009
    Likes Received:
    0
    What's the best technique?

    :bag:
  13. cnltb

    cnltb

    Joined:
    May 28, 2005
    Likes Received:
    0
    Fret buzz....I don't like it and wouldn't have anything sounding like most of the clips above, released.

    They like it and although it sounds like S**e to me doesn't mean much. It doesn't seem to have hurt their careers in any way thus far I recon.
  14. electracoyote

    electracoyote

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2009
    Likes Received:
    1
    If I hear a little buzzing solo'd, I don't get too bent out of shape.

    If I hear it cutting through the band mix over the tone of my bass, that's a bit much and I will adjust it out.

    Some of these iso tracks are pretty astounding. But then I go listen to the full band track again, and I don't hear the buzz or clack. It's all good to my ears.
  15. xhawk5

    xhawk5 Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2007
    Likes Received:
    1
    Agreed.
  16. groooooove

    groooooove

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2008
    Likes Received:
    1
    a little buzz isin't that bad. depends how much it comes through the amp..

    with fresh strings the buzz will just be perceived as more brightness. i don't let it cut into the sustain, but for me its worth the strings being really low, and having the hint of buzz. i like the sound, unless i'm going for a flatwound thumpy dark thing.

    think of billy sheehan when he talks about setting up his bass... just a little buzz.. sounds good to me.

    edit- also, a friend of mine got to study with jaco for a few months here in NYC in the early 80s. he got to play all of jacos basses, i think there were 3 fenders. he swears that each bass was setup with a significant buzz, but it came through the amp just as a growly sound - obviously, especially with the fretless.
  17. xhawk5

    xhawk5 Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2007
    Likes Received:
    1
    WTH is your problem? Did I touch a nerve? Relax dude. I don't really give hoot either way. Just was asking a question with full respect to those that like fret buzz, and I agree, it has it's place in music. I just didn't expect it to be so prevalent in some isolated recordings I've heard.
  18. sotua

    sotua

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2004
    Likes Received:
    1
    I think it's amazing how different it sounds isolated vs in the mix. I started recording my own music, and my tracks always came out all wimpy until I understood that what sound good isolated is not what sounds good within the mix. In this case, it sounds all buzzy, but in the mix it sounds heavenly and you don't hear all the buzz. I love the tone on that record.

    Want to get your mind blown? Go find the isolated track for Interstate Love Song. It's a really cranked tube amp. The isolated track sounds full of distortion, very harsh, and played with a strong right hand attack, but in the final mix is all creamy and good and not at all aggressive.
  19. mattattack187

    mattattack187 Bass Enthusiast Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2012
    Likes Received:
    1
    In a band setting fret buzz is hardly noticeable. If I have a little, it personally doesn't bother me. Gives a more aggressive sound on a hard attack. Now a high fret, that kind of buzz will piss me off to no end.
  20. narud

    narud Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2001
    Likes Received:
    0
    i dont hear this as a technique issue at all. thats intended. you dig in that hard youll make any bass have that fret rattle sound and you dig in that hard because you want it. fret buzz to my ear is the sound of bad fretwork.

Share This Page