Gaming desktop help?

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  1. ShredderMaximus

    ShredderMaximus

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    So yesterday, my good ol' HP laptop finally kicked the bucket, so with it's passing, and the pretty meh looking future of console gaming, I decided to finally take that step into the realm of PC gaming. Only problem being I know jacks**t about building a desktop, but with a little help from a friend, I think I have my build together, but I just wanted to run it by the TBOT gurus before pulling the trigger, as I do many things... So here we go!

    Case:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119227

    Mobo:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131989

    CPU:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116899

    Power Supply:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438010

    Graphics Card:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130910

    HDD:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148784

    RAM:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145313

    DVD drive:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

    CPU heatsink:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103057

    OS:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

    So yeah, thats what I got. Eventually I would like to run in an SLI configuration, but that can wait (I'm already a bit over-budget as it is...). My expectations with this computer are to be able to play most modern games on their highest settings, and Battlefield 4 on ultra/high setting, with a moderate amount of music recording thrown in the mix too.

    So if anyone can give me any tips/advice at all, they would be highly appreciated. As said before, this is my first forray into PC gaming/building, and I plan on assembling all this myself, a task that is fairly daunting to me right now, and I don't really know how much thought my buddy put into this build, as I have already made a few tweaks myself (the original cpu was a 1155 sized socket, and the mobo is an 1150:meh:), and I know we have more than a few PC gamers out there.

    Thanks guys.
  2. i_got_a_mohawk

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    Are you planning on doing any overclocking, or are you just wanting a quieter system? I only ask because a retail CPU will come with a stock heatsink, which would be enough for most users.

    From what I understand, the GTX650 should be ok for most modern games as long as you are running them on a single monitor at 1900x1200 or 1920x1080. Running on multiple monitors would use much more juice.

    Not sure what the difference between the model lines is, but you can get a 2TB Seagate HDD for less than the 1TB option you have listed (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148834).
  3. Tarrbot

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    First build, eh?

    As a former editor of this magazine, I feel compelled to recommend this: http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/step--step_guide_how_build_gaming_pc_amds_bulldozer_cpu

    I haven't proofed it to see if anything is wacky with it, so if there are errors in it, I apologize.

    Definitely take your time. If you have any questions, post here or another forum that can get you help.

    It's not as difficult as you might think.

    For your first time, I would grab the case, install the motherboard, the PSU, RAM and CPU (no optical drives, no hard drives, nothing else). Then power it up and get into the BIOS (system setup... usually by pressing F1 or F2). Look around in that. Don't save anything. And don't worry about getting confused. Just familiarize yourself with the BIOS for now.

    So long as you don't save any settings, you won't be in any trouble here.

    Power down, put your hard drive and DVD drive in. Put your OS DVD into the DVD drive and power back up and get ready to install your system.

    It shouldn't be difficult from that point forward. You've already seen that the system boots properly. All you've done is verify that it boots properly--which is important on your first build. I wanted you to see how that works because you might be hesitant on how RAM is inserted or your CPU is installed. If you don't have those set properly, this is where you would determine that.
  4. Ziltoid

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    +1, Just take your time and google when in doubt.

    As for the build itself it looks ok but I'm not a fan of the graphic card, because I'm more of an ATI fanboy :D
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  6. ShredderMaximus

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    @Mohawk
    About the heatsink, I more than likely won't be messing around with over clocking quite yet, and actually told my buddy the same thing, but he apparently has a strong distaste for the stock fans, so I went along with him, though now I think I might hold of and save that as an upgrade down the road to keep my initial costs down. As for the HDD, I really didn't know that their prices had gone down so much, and I'm not really sure what differentiates the model I have now and the cheaper alternatives. I think I might go ahead and downgrade that also, thanks for the insight!

    @Tarrbot
    Thanks for your response! I've been watching a few videos on YouTube, which is the only reason I have the confidence to do this myself in the first place seeing as I really don't have anyone nearby with the know-how to help me in person. I will definitely be checking out the article you posted! Also in the videos I've watched so far, I haven't heard anyone mention the steps that you have, and I can see that potentially saving hours of heartache.

    But I've got another few questions for you guys. First, any idea if the gtx 650 that I was planning on getting would be a good candidate for using in sli? I know that in order to run an sli setup you need to run 2 of the exact same gpu's, and I don't want to be setting myself up for a bottleneck down the road. Also, do you think the 1000 watt PSU is really necessary? Like I said I am a bit over budget which is not too big of a deal, but if I can save some cash on a lower wattage model without again, setting myself up for a bottleneck, than I'm all for it.

    Thanks again guys, I know I should be asking these questions on some kind of computer forum, but screw that. TBOT is where its at.
  7. ShredderMaximus

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    Suggestions? I'm open to anything, and my order has yet to be placed... :)
  8. Ziltoid

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    The 650 Ti Boost was in a lot of benchmark in both single and sli. I recall Tom's hardware doing an extensive article about it, Tech powerup, tech spot, and OCC probably have something on it too.

    Take a peek around, lots of info. :D

    http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/nvidia_geforce_gtx_650_ti_boost/
    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_650_Ti_Boost_SLI/
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-650-ti-boost-gk106-benchmark,3463.html
    http://www.techspot.com/review/661-nvidia-geforce-gtx-650-ti-boost-sli/
    etc. etc.

    I've been out of the loop for some time now, I'm still rocking a HD6870 windforce.
  9. i_got_a_mohawk

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    Re - Stock fans, I can't really comment on the current state of affairs. However, if you aren't thinking about a lot of overclocking, then the stock fan will probably be fine. I used the intel stock fan on a build a few years back (Pentium 4) and it was perfectly fine! Though I do currently have a larger heatsink on my Q6600, but that's because you can OC the hell out of it!

    Re - HHD, I don't even know if it's that much of a downgrade, the limited specs on the new egg website make it seem like they'll perform fairly similarly, though one is cheaper with twice the capacity :)

    I was going to comment on the PSU being a bit on the large side, that in itself won't hurt anything (other than your wallet), I'm not sure the draw of those GTX 650's, so you may need that much power to run two of them, though probably not. If you're thinking of expanding your computer with another graphics card, maybe some more HDDs down the road (I always have :p ) then it might be worth while to give yourself some breathing space. You could also go through and tally up the power requirements of each component to give you an idea of overall system draw.

    Can't comment on the SLI ability of the GTX650, however, I always took the mantra of trying to do what I could with a single card instead of a pair if at all possible.

    Also, shop around. I'm not familiar with US suppliers, but over here I've seen the prices of individual components vary quite a bit.
  10. ShredderMaximus

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    @Ziltoid
    Wow, from those benchmarks, not only are dual 650's adequate, but they are downright sexy! You just cleared all doubts I had!

    @Mohawk
    Cool, so I think I'm going to drop the fans and grab a less expensive hdd, but you raise good points about the PSU, so I'll keep that. A bit of headroom is always nice. And I'll definitely be looking around a bit before ordering. I was mostly using newegg only for the ease of getting my "shopping list" together on one site, then once I figure out what I want, branching out and finding the best individual prices.
  11. Tarrbot

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    On a PSU, not only is a bit of headroom nice but conventional wisdom has suggested that a PSU loses 10% of its efficiency / rating per year.

    I'm not sure I believe that but I can see where it can lose up to that much.

    Just keep it simple. The how-to stuff should help.

    We did 12 step tutorials back in the day and I was trying to find those. Might've been in boot magazine though.
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  13. ShredderMaximus

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    Thanks for all the help guys, just deposited a check so I'm planning on starting some ordering tonight! I'm so friggin stoked, all I need now are my peripherals; mouse, monitor, keyboard and headset.
  14. Tarrbot

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    Those peripherals will likely last you through a couple of builds so get something you like and are comfortable with. The monitor may last many builds depending on how well it ages.
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    That's cool. Let us know how it goes. I've put together 2 of my own Gaming PCs and haven't had too many problems. As long as you read up on it beforehand, you should be good to go. It's just a matter of plugging stuff into the right places :)

    I usually base my builds on some of the mid to high end Gaming PCs but I make my build a little less powerful because I don't need the absolute best. I also look at the most graphically demanding games of The Times and base my build so the specs are above the recommdended specs for the game.

    Edit: Make sure your case is big enough for the GPU if you're getting some super power bigass GPU.
    Edit: I never had a problem with the stock fan on my first two builds. For clarification, I've had three Gaming PCs. The first one was built by a co-worker. I now use an aftermarket heatsink & fan because I have the warmest room in the house and I am a little paranoid and it wasn't too expensive. I've never overclocked.
  17. ShredderMaximus

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    Yeah, I'm not really in too big of a rush, so I do plan on taking the time to get a semi decent mouse, keyboard, and monitor. I did change my mind and got a Bitfenix Shinobi case, mostly cause I really love the slick minimalistic styled design of it, and it got decent enough review.

    I was wondering though if anyone else had any experience with the fairly new Intel 1150 socket and hsf options. After a bit of research I learned that the CPU I decided to go with does have a tendency to get kinda hot, and an aftermarket heatsink was highly recommended. The issue I have now is that information is pretty spotty, I'm guessing due to it being so new. Some say the 1150 mounting brackets are interchangeable with an 1155, and then I see people who own the 1150 say that they are not... with no real definitive answers. So I know its a shot in the dark, but would anyone happen to have any experience with the 1150 yet? BTW, if possible, I would still be getting the same heatsink that I posted in the op, as I've seen nothing but people praising that model.
  18. Ziltoid

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    I'm a big razer fan as far as mouse and keyboard are concerned.

    No clue for the brackets.
  19. ShredderMaximus

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    Derp, never mind the stuff about the hsf, for some reason I got mixed up, and the fan I had in the op actually does list 1150 compatibility specifically. The reviews I was reading were for the Cooler Master 212 something or other, so I'm good if I stick with the one I listed.

    As for the Razer keyboard and mouse, that was what was recommended to me by my buddy, so seeing someone else recommend them too really does make that decision that much easier, thanks Ziltoid.
  20. gearhead1972

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    Looks like your on the right path with some great advice. If you need some info or a quick question answered the guys over here are real knowledgeable http://www.overclockers.com/forums/
  21. naetog

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    Isn't building a computer fun?

    I would recommend getting a couple of extra case fans.

    I have almost the same case minus the see thru side, and I have a fan on top, side, and rear in addition to the front fan. Keeps things nice and cool under high GPU loads.

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